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<DarthBurg> K
<DarthBurg> I want to get it right!
<OcDoc> Darth: you forgot Machiavellian Genius
<Gunman> well...i dont think he's a bad PERSON...he's just a bad president...i find it hard to believe that no republican couldve done a better job
<DarthBurg> I can't spell that
<OcDoc> Gunman: the primary selection process is essentially random
<DarthBurg> actually, if you take an objective look at it, and take out all the Media's WHINING, Bush ain't half bad as pres.
<Nemes> no seriously I have only ever liked one thing that he has done internationaly, and thats the iraq/afgan wars on terror, everything else really in the states is none of my business really as I aint american.
<OcDoc> but not truly random since it is based on a catastrophe theory process
<Gunman> yeah, but he botched the war on terror...
<DarthBurg> how?
<Gunman> and worse, if 9/11 hadnt happened, he'd have gone to war against them anyway
<DarthBurg> ROFLMAO
<OcDoc> Also, you're looking at presidential elections from the wrong end of the telescope ... W was chosen because he had the best chance of winning ... which he proceeded to do
<RustyFord> Politics: In an analysis of Joe Wilson's credibility, The Washington Post claims his charge that
<RustyFord> President Bush lied about
<RustyFord> Iraq seeking uranium in Niger "has been validated." It hasn't -- and Bush never said that.
<Gunman> ocdoc: thats because gore is a retarded campaigner...so's kerry
<OcDoc> he wasn't chosen because he was the best possible president
<RustyFord> What Bush actually said was: "The British government has learned that
<RustyFord> Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." Africa, not Niger.
<DarthBurg> I thought it was just stupid voters
<RustyFord> The "claim" was not made by Bush, but by British intelligence, and Bush said Hussein had only sought yellowcake, not that he had succeeded.
<RustyFord> ahhhh gotta love media bias
<OcDoc> Gunman: well THEY were chosen for similar reasons
<Gunman> gore didnt campaign in the south, he didnt embrace clinton's clearly successful presidency...he was stupid
<DarthBurg> Gunman you are aware that of the seven people who Clinton campaigned for in 2k, One won.
<Gunman> kerry was the 'im not the other guy' candidate who was dumb enough to give bush-haters two options...vote for me or stay home
<RustyFord> Wilson needs to be strung up with some journalists from the tallest yard arm
<DarthBurg> had Al Gore campaigned with Clinton, it would have been a Dubya landslide.
<DarthBurg> but hey
<DarthBurg> live in your fantasy world
<Gunman> live in your fantasy world? that a pretty typical 'fact are nice...being snide is better' argument
<DarthBurg> Facts are troublesome, and reality won't budge.
<DarthBurg> not my fault
<RustyFord> I live in Middle Earth
<Gunman> bush is a bad president...thats the reality
<DarthBurg> no, its not.
<RustyFord> yer mom is a bad mom
<Gunman> mccain wouldve been 100x better
<DarthBurg> thats projection
<RustyFord> thats REALITY
<hans_kung> Yah, I think had Clinton worked with Gore during the campaign, it would have been a Gore win.
<DarthBurg> McCain lost the primary
<hans_kung> Most politcal watchers agree.
<DarthBurg> hans_kung then why didn;t the people Bill actually campaign with win?
<RustyFord> Bush is a bad president because the media has been talking **** about him every chance they get
<Nemes> hans_king, i thought gore did win? lol
<Nemes> hehe
<DarthBurg> something wrong with the logic there.
<Gunman> thats because the same guys who ran the swiftboat campaign against kerry ran them against mccain
<OcDoc> Gunman: I'm not a Republican, but I don't agree with you that bush is a bad president
<hans_kung> Nemes, well technically we know he did :)
<Exdeath> I would laugh will glee if Bush was to nominate Ben Shapiro, 22 year old graduate of Yale Law :)
<DarthBurg> if Bill was NOT the kiss of death, why did not his clout get more Democrats elected?
<Gunman> because clinton is only one person
<hans_kung> Gore won the popular vote and well only 'lost' Florida by 700 votes.
<hans_kung> but media recounts after the election show Gore would had won.
<Lupine> HAHHAHHA
<DarthBurg> Gunman the swift Boat Veterans shelled the McCain presidency? thats a new one.
<RustyFord> I bet if i used your name in the paper with bunches of lies being drilled and forced upon the people that Bush has been the victim of, I bet people would want to try and take your life
<hans_kung> <G> boy I knew that'd stir the pot up haha
<OcDoc> Clinton was personally a "nice guy" but his coattails were very short
<Lupine> hans: nice revisionist.. and media recounts after the eleciton show that Gore lost by a billion zillion votes..
<Exdeath> Every media recount, even the liberal-based ones, showed that conclusively Bush had won.
<DarthBurg> hans_kung there was never a single recount in florida that showed Gore to be a winner, nice revision there bub
<lgcbmb> god damn it , get over it, bush won gore lost
<Lupine> Exdeath: don't you love it? :-)
<OcDoc> people tend to forget that all politics in America are machine politics
<hans_kung> Lupine, really?
<Exdeath> In addition, many military votes from Florida weren't even counted.
<Lupine> hans: uh, yes "really"..
<Gunman> darth: no...the guys that RAN the swiftboat campaign shelled the mccain presidency...these are also the same guys who attacked (inexplicably) the AARP
<DarthBurg> hans_kung really
<RustyFord> the media hasn't been truthful in anything it has done when it comes to Bush
<hans_kung> zillions and zillions? :)
<Exdeath> And if you hadn't guessed, the military votes overwhelmingly conservative.
<OcDoc> candidates are chosen because they organize well
<Lupine> hans: Hey, while you have your head up your ***, why don't you give yourself a visual prostate example?
<hans_kung> there's not zillions and zillions of people in Florida :)
<hans_kung> no you do it for me Loopy :P
<hans_kung> stick it WAY up there
<Lupine> hans: it has as much factual basis as your claim does
<OcDoc> example?
<DarthBurg> Gunman do you have any names? any links?
<RustyFord> liberals unfortunately eat that **** up more than Guiding Light on the afternoon soap opera channels
<Gunman> i didnt bookmark them, if thats what you want to know
<Gunman> especially since this was over a year ago
<DarthBurg> I figured as much. I will just chock it up to more lies from the left.
<RustyFord> I think the better question to ask is not how many people Bush killed today but how many people the media killed today
<Lupine> funny "every vote counts" ( even those of the deceased and criminals ), but thousands of military voters do not count
<Exdeath> In addition, in December 11, 2000, the Supreme Court decided that there was insufficient time to establish standards for a new recount that would meet Florida's deadline for certifying electors
<hans_kung> Lupine: I am sure you will dismiss this: The first survey, conducted on behalf of the Washington Post, shows that Mr Gore had a nearly three-to-one majority among 56,000 Florida voters whose November 7 ballot papers were discounted because they contained more than one punched hole.
<Gunman> darth: okay then...do you have a URL that says that clinton polled at around 38 per cent?
<DarthBurg> Gunman sure, hang on a sec.
<Lupine> hans: ahh... it would have been illegal to count those "votes"
<Lupine> hans: absolutely, positively illegal.
<Exdeath> Everyone's ballot that has multiple holes punched cannot be counted, its illegal to count them.
<Gunman> okay okay...now we're flashing back to an issue that noone can do anything about...
<Lupine> exdeath: yea, why don't we just allow direct ballot stuffing
<hans_kung> The first survey, conducted on behalf of the Washington Post, shows that Mr Gore had a nearly three-to-one majority among 56,000 Florida voters whose November 7 ballot papers were discounted because they contained more than one punched hole.
<hans_kung> ops sorry
<Exdeath> Basically all that shows is liberals cannot handle the simple ballot method of hanging chad.
<hans_kung> my bad
<Gunman> rrr...LIBERALS!
<Exdeath> Which is still used in other states and is widespread.
<Gunman> rrr...evil liberals...coming to eat your children!
<Lupine> hans: I am not "dismissing it". In fact, that supports my position. You must rely on breaking the law
<hans_kung> never mind the issue of the overseas ballots being counted
<Exdeath> They never would have been counted because it would have been illegal to count them.
<hans_kung> thats where Team Gore ****ed up
<hans_kung> and lost
<hans_kung> they should have contested those ballots
<Lupine> Hans: so, in conclusion: If gore was able to flagrantly break the law, he would have won. Wow, jesus.
<panini> it didn't matter
<DarthBurg> no liberals are just brain washing our children
<panini> no matter how you counted it, Bush always won
<Exdeath> They did try to contest those ballots, and on December 11, 2001, the Supreme Court decided that there was insufficient time to establish standards for a new recount that would meet Florida's deadline for certifying electors
<Gunman> rrr...awful fat liberalssss...takesss away votess from sweet loving conservativesss...precious precious votesssss
<Gunman> heh...
<hans_kung> Lupine--the election should have been settled by Congress, not the Supreme Court, nor by a one vote decision.
<Lupine> Hans: Hey guess what? If the elections supervisors burned all the ballots, and put in straight-democratic tickets instead.. gore would have won!
<DarthBurg> "Hey kids! George W. is stuck in Iraq. Use your pencil to help him find a way out ..." The cartoon of President George W. Bush in a maze saying, "Who says I have no exit strategy?" drew laughter from the eighth-graders at West Hollow Middle School in Melville. "I want to do the maze!" said one student.
<Exdeath> lupine, lol
<Lupine> hans: No. the vote was decided by the people.
<DarthBurg> http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/longisland/ny-likids274486082oct27,0,4936072.story?coll=ny-linews-print
<Gunman> it saddens me that arlen specter almost lost the GOP primary last year because his opponent accused him of being liberal over and over
<hans_kung> Congress decides contested presidential elections
<Lupine> hans: all the supreme court said: you can not count illegal ballots
<hans_kung> btw Lupine--
<Exdeath> Um, that's kind of because Specter is a liberal.
<Gunman> no, thats kind of because specter is a moderate
<panini> specter is kinda liberal
<Exdeath> He even defended Ida Einhorn and got him bail for murder, where he escaped for decades.
<Lupine> hans: that is what your arguement always boils down to: we must break the law to get gore to win, any means necessary
<Lupine> even *GORE* admitted he lost. fair and square
<hans_kung> I know this will frost your testicles, but one of the judges that Bush is talking bout nominating to the SC? Thought the Supreme Court was wrong to rule for Bush in 2000. :)
<Exdeath> If you defend a brutal first degree murderer and get him bail, you are unequivocally a liberal.
<Gunman> btw...whoever made up that test should be suspended
<hans_kung> 10th Circuit Court, in Denever.
<hans_kung> Republican judge
<Gunman> lupine: pff...what was he GOING to do? go around saying that the GOP cheated?
<hans_kung> say the SC had NO business ruling on the Bush Gore issue. and the lower circuit courts were correct in refusing to give Bush relief.
<Disbelief> hahhah Miers nomination, RIP
<Lupine> hans: so, aside for counting illegal votes.. do you have any basis for your claim that gore won?
<hans_kung> btw, it was only the SC that gave Bush the relief, by ONE vote.
<hans_kung> All appeals courts turned Bush down.
<panini> wrong
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