| |
| |
| |
|
Page: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79
<panini> wrong
<Gunman> well...there are a bunch of people in SC who are talking about secession, so *shrug*
<Lupine> hans: under florida state law, "overvotes" are *NULL AND VOID*. You can not change election law after the fact. You can NOT claim that "this overvote goes for gore, and not bush"
<Exdeath> The December 11, 2001 decision was not giving "Bush relief." It simply ruled that there was insufficient time to establish standards for a new recount that would meet Florida's deadline for certifying electors
<hans_kung> Locally, circuit courts.
<DarthBurg> Gunman, hans_kung while looking for my link, I found this: [After Clinton's appearance in Hawaii (where unions raised $100,000 to fly him in on a private jet) to campaign for Mazie Hirono, Hirono dropped 10 points in the polls and Republicans captured the governor's mansion for the first time in 40 years.
<DarthBurg> enjoy
<Exdeath> December 11, 2000 that is
<Gunman> *shrug*
<Disbelief> So what do the Bush loyalists think about the Miers early withdrawel ?
<Exdeath> Very happy about it
<Disbelief> Bush's weakness? strategy ?
<Lupine> hans: the *****ING* hilarious thing is.. Gore COULD have legally contested the vote, but florida state law *only* allows one to file AFTER the vote has been certified
<Exdeath> I'm not a Bush loyalist though, I'm a much harder core conservative
<DeDannan> Disbelief, "substantial penalties for early withdrawal"...says so in the fine print...
<Lupine> Dis: i'm not a "loyalist", but I am not suprised. It may also have been planned
<Disbelief> DeDannan - hehe
<DarthBurg> Gunman yes, that is what you people do to troublesome facts, you shrug them off, then wonder why your guy can't get elected. there is a REASON liberal has become a dirty word, look no further than your nearest DNC member to find out why.
<panini> Lupine: no way. The one thing can be sure of is that it wasn't planned
<Disbelief> lupine - indeed its no surprise. i don't know the advantage of such a plan though, other than to falsely claim that the democrats HAVE to confirm whomever the next person is because the first wouldn't take.
<Lupine> panini: how so?
<Disbelief> yeah
<Disbelief> i REALLY doubt it was planned because it makes bush look so bad
<Lupine> dis: well, he did say he would nominate another scalia
<OcDoc> her nomination caused confusion among democrats
<hans_kung> please, it wasn't planned.
<panini> Lupine: it was an obvious gaffe. No one "plans" to make a mistake
<Disbelief> if this was the 'best person for the job' according to bush, why is she withdrawing?
<Exdeath> It doesn't make him look bad at all, it makes him look GOOD for accepting it so he can take a real stance other than political correctness.
<hans_kung> "Oh it's planned" is an excuse for covering up the President screwed up with this nomination.
<panini> she is withdrawing because it's clear she wouldn't get confirmed
<hans_kung> "oh he meant to do that." waste everyones time to go down on this.
<Disbelief> its pretty clear bush is a weakened president.
<Exdeath> She's withdrawing because she faces oposition by both the right and the left, and widespread opposition at that
<Disbelief> this second term is listing pretty bad
<OcDoc> do not confuse "best person for the job" with "most likely to be accepted by the Senate"
<Disbelief> tomorrow's going to be brutal too.
<Exdeath> The second term for presidents is always like this, was for Coolidge, was for Reagan, was for Clinton
<Lupine> Yes, I think Miers was too moderate, too liberal for alot of the republican party
<Exdeath> They always take a hit in polls...in addition, Bush is proposing big things like social security reform and changing the scenary of totalitarianism in the middle east, of course there's going to be widespread opposition because those things are so big.
<Disbelief> well the fundies won't be happy with anything less than an avowed anti-gay, anti-abortion candidate.
<OcDoc> hans: the president didn't screw up ... he asked a wide range of Congress critters what they thought of her before he nominated her
<Exdeath> There's a concrete difference between being anti-gay and not wanting to extend the legal definition of marriage to being anything/everything, one that liberals still fail to see.
<hans_kung> OcDoc, he didn't screw up?
<Disbelief> they want to re-ignite the "culture war" that CometBaby is always trying to fight here....have a showdown over abortion in the senate, leading to fillibuster, perhaps the Lott "nuclear option"
<OcDoc> no president knows for sure how a nominee will be received until after the nomination is announced
<ChaosMage> Why does there even need to be a legal definition of marriage?
<Disbelief> well i think nominating your own lawyer is a bad idea to begin with, on the surface.
<Lupine> Dis: it is the fundies who start the "culture war"? funny, I thought it was a few homo***uals trying to force their belief on eeryone else
<OcDoc> Chaos: there doesn't "need" to be one ... there IS one
<ChaosMage> thats pretty good evidence that the government is greatly influenced by religion
<OcDoc> Disbelief: that's true ...
<Disbelief> lupine - ah well that's where you're entirely wrong.
<CometBaby> hmmm I just got back
<OcDoc> hadn't thought of it like that
<ChaosMage> OdDoc: If they got rid of it then there'd be no problems about gay marriage
<CometBaby> Disbelief what is your problem?
<Disbelief> cometbaby - hmm?
<CometBaby> Why are you dissing me when I am not here to defend myself?
<Disbelief> i didn't dis you.
<OcDoc> Chaos: government is essentially conservative ... it's very hard to remove laws already on the books
<CometBaby> read your post
<ChaosMage> OcDoC: Yeah I realized that as I was typing it
<Disbelief> i said that people on the christian right of the republican party want a fight on cultural lines, self-styled cultural warriors want this fight.
<Katey> http://www.extremely-sharp.com/direct/catvideo.html
<DarthBurg> aww gunman left.
<Disbelief> CometBaby - you've made uncountable comments that deliniate a battle in these terms.
<CometBaby> you said the culture war that CometBab is always trying to fight here
<Disbelief> yeah.
<Exdeath> No one wants this fight but gays, right now everyone has the equal right to marry someone of the opposite ***.
<OcDoc> some states have zero based budgeting and sunset laws because of that
<CometBaby> just don't diss me when I am gone
<OcDoc> and it's STILL hard to sunset anything
<Disbelief> i believe you do wage a personal fight on cultural issues here.
<Disbelief> its not a "diss" [sic]
<CometBaby> Disbelief .. did you read what I just said?
<OcDoc> "who started it?" is ALWAYS an impossible issue to settle
<CometBaby> Disbelief .. did you read what I just said?
<Disbelief> yes.
<OcDoc> the fundies started it by p***ing laws
<DarthBurg> Every president since 1963 has had approval ratings at one time or another that were lower than Bush's current rating. Those ratings include Lyndon Johnson's 35%, Richard Nixon's 24%, Gerald Ford's 37%, Jimmy Carter's 28%, Ronald Reagan's 35%, the elder George Bush's 29% and Bill Clinton's 37%.
<CometBaby> consider it a final warning
<OcDoc> the gays started it by reacting to the laws
<Disbelief> CometBaby - how the heck am i supposed to know when you're either here or aren't, anyway?
<DarthBurg> hans_kung you paying attention son?
<CometBaby> when I am talking I am here
<DarthBurg> http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-10-17-bushapproval_x.htm
<DarthBurg> not a republican house organ
<Disbelief> CometBaby - okay then, now that you're here, do you disagree with my characterization ?
<ChaosMage> OcDoC: the only reason the gays even have a lower legal status right now is because of the bible
<OcDoc> han: say it ain't so!
<CometBaby> Disbelief explain yourself. just what is it that I am doing?
<DarthBurg> admitting you are wrong is the first step to enlightenment
<hans_kung> <--is a mensch.
<OcDoc> Chaos: that's not true ... many non-religious people take a dim view of "deviant" ***ual preferences
<CometBaby> you mentioned abortion ..
<CometBaby> give me an example
<hans_kung> <--when I iz wrong, I'z admits it.
<DarthBurg> hans_kung chill, you were just theunfortunate victim of the liberal media
<CometBaby> generally speaking
<hans_kung> haha thanks Darth
<FreeTrade> Gays dont have a lower legal status.
<hans_kung> you is aces wif me!
<ChaosMage> OcDoc: I doubt you'll find many atheists who care about gays
<FreeTrade> Sorry to interrupt but I just got here to make some buisness calls and then must leave again.
<OcDoc> Chaos: if you say so
<Disbelief> CometBAby - 'explain myself' ? firstly i didn't 'dis' you at all. i think its entirely accurate to characterize your politics as heavily influenced by cultural issues. we've discussed this before.
<ChaosMage> OcDoc: Outside of religion having *** with everything is acceptable, you realize
<CometBaby> disbelief .. you specifically mentioned abortion .. so lets go with that.
<CometBaby> give me an example
<CometBaby> generally speaking
<Disbelief> you've made many comments that are obviously delineated upon cultural terms, regarding abortion, religion, homo***uality, ect.
<OcDoc> cultural wars benefit people with extreme views
<FreeTrade> I am anti Gay marraige because of traditionalism and definition and because of societal/government reasons. Sociological reasons even.
<FreeTrade> I am not against gays..
<CometBaby> disbelief .. what comments have I made about abortion based upon cultural terms?
<FreeTrade> I believe they are entitled to everything the rest of us are entitled to.
<OcDoc> I am against government defined marriage
<FreeTrade> And they can form unions.
<Disbelief> CometBAby - i don't have logs from the past few years of #politics but if i'm wrong in ***essing that you're very "Pro-choice" and anti-abortion, please let me know, because apparently i'm mistaken.
<ChaosMage> FreeTrade: What legal rights that straight married people get are causing a problem with gay people?
<Katey> FreeTrade, not in all states
<CometBaby> you are correct .. but how is my position on abortion based on cultural issues?
<FreeTrade> Well There is a social government "stake" in marraige related to promoting stable families. That is the social reason which brought marraige into the interest of the state to begin with.
<CometBaby> I can't even reference what you mean by "cultural issues"
<ChaosMage> pah
<ChaosMage> stable families my ***
<ChaosMage> look at the divorce rate
<OcDoc> CB: I ***ert that ALL positions on abortion are based on cultural issues
<FreeTrade> Other wise it used to be a personal activity guided by religion or other social purposes (power) to marry.
<hans_kung> Disbelief? Cultural issues meaning ..issues that are currently debated in political arenas?
<FreeTrade> You did not need a marraige license in Rome.
<Disbelief> CometBAby - because you tend to characterize liberals who are 'pro-choice' as either 'pro-abortion' or anti-life, quite frequently. as i recall you had harsh words for people who thought Terri Shiavo should be allowed to p*** as she wished. you've used the term "culture of death" many times as well.
<FreeTrade> And in fact you dont have to have one in the USA either.
<Nemes> the stereotypical stable 2 parents 2 kids model is in a minority now I would of thought.
<CometBaby> I have never done that
<Nemes> western world wide
<Disbelief> OcDoc - not everybody believes in a 'culture war' though
<CometBaby> I have never used the term pro-abortion .
<Katey> In fact, here in VA, we recently p***ed a law that makes any legal arrangement, between two people of the same ***, that is similar to the benefits of marriage, invalid
<CometBaby> or anti-life
<OcDoc> Disbelief: some people find it strategically advantageous to try to incite one though
<CometBaby> I am pro choice
<Hangfire> Katey wouldn't that be errr
<ChaosMage> VA?
<Hangfire> well crap
<FreeTrade> But marraige came to the state because the state believed it had a compelling interest in the welfare of families. as we know every sociological study out there shows that one of the major causes of problems (Anti social behavior) criminality, poverty, etc is because of no father in the home.
<CometBaby> those are terms used by the religious right .. of which I am not a member
Return to politics
or
Go to some related
logs:
poker
|
|