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<CometBaby> back
<CometBaby> someone had a question for me?
<ChaosMage> Free: Why not
<pilgrim`> if enough rich gays buy the right politicos, it becomes law and DAMN the will of the peepul
<ChaosMage> Free: You like them gays?
<ChaosMage> Free: you're sick man!
<jez> FreeTrade: why are you?
<ChaosMage> Free: You a damn gay lover!
<FreeTrade> Yes I like gays.. if they are nice people.
<FreeTrade> their ***ual orientation isnt what I judge them by.
<OcDoc> Lupine: nice try but no sale
<TheTailor> Gays aren't a problem, gay activists are.
<FreeTrade> Why are you ? Why are I what ?
<FreeTrade> ;)
<Lupine> ocdoc: *shrug* then I guess you dont believe in equal protection for all, just for your own pet projects
<pilgrim`> I like gays. did my best to cure some lesbians of their eveil ways. we pressed the issue many times, but allas, the dears backslid
<jez> FreeTrade: anti-gay marriage
<OcDoc> Lupine: equal protection for all competent adults
<OcDoc> Lupine: minors are NOT citizens and are allowed special protection
<jez> pilgrim`: given the choice of you or another woman, im not surprised
<Exdeath> lol, pilgrim
<Lupine> OcDoc: well, if you believe Ginsburg, women are adults at age 12
<Oax> nambla should get equal protection. they should be har***ed by the state only when they break the law
<Oax> how can you not agree with that
<FreeTrade> Because the definition of marraige has been hetero***ual for 2600 years of written history and even longer in archeological time based on artifacts.
<OcDoc> Lupine: where you draw the line is of course up for debate, but it has to apply EQUALLY"
<Lupine> the constitution doesn't spell out what the age is..
<FreeTrade> I am not into changing the names of things.
<jez> freetrade: so?
<ChaosMage> NAMBLA is an organization created to break the laws
<ChaosMage> its like the mafia
<CometBaby> oax they break the law everytime they bugger a minor
<Oax> ChaosMage well, change the laws
<FreeTrade> I am if you ever notice me on this channel, I am a STricT linquist
<Lupine> OcDoc: okay, by Ginsburg, it should be age 12
<ChaosMage> change the laws to allow child ***?
<OcDoc> Free: the fact that that is wrong and bad doesn't count?
<Oax> CometBaby ok when they do that they should get charged
<FreeTrade> My grammar and my spelling may **** some times but my word usage is very much based on the historical use of terms.
<OcDoc> pilgrim: me too
<FreeTrade> I dont consider Democrats or leftists Liberals for example.
<ChaosMage> its the north american man boy love ***ociation
<CometBaby> Oax .. well they wouldn't be members of NAMBLA if they didn't do it .. duh
<Oax> ChaosMage i am not sure exactly what they want, but that is probably part of it. i don't think they'll be so successful
<ChaosMage> it is created with the intent to have *** with children which is illegal
<CometBaby> are you a member of NAMBLA?
<ChaosMage> so the whole organization is founded to do illegal acts
<DarthBurg> msg me all evil snappy comebacks
<OcDoc> Comet: guilt by ***ociation
<MikeyD> horrible illegal acts i mgiht add
<Oax> no. defending civil rights of group X != member of group X
<FreeTrade> Because there is nothing liberal about more government power over buisness, more taxes and or more Programs. They are coercive and illiberal.
<ChaosMage> its like founding the Bank Robbers Guild of America
<pilgrim`> Chaos so is the Democratic Party but thats another argument ;)
<Exdeath> How liberals can defend the ACLU after it gave completely free legal help to NAMBLA I have no clue
<ChaosMage> Would you allow a club called the Bank Robbers Guide of America?
<Lupine> chaos: well, many gay groups were created with the intent to have homoseuxal marriage with is illegal [ in almost all states ]
<MikeyD> if they were just screwing each other, there would be no issue with their org
<Oax> ok say there is a bank robbers guild. their goal is to change the law to allow robbing banks
<OcDoc> Chaos: that's silly
<FreeTrade> My reasons for not agreeing with gay marraige and accepting of civil unions is my own buisness and for any reason I choose I am entitled to that.
<Oax> is that illegal? no
<CometBaby> Oax that was not my point. If you buggered minors you would want to be a member of NAMBLA.
<OcDoc> you could make a case for legalizing bank robbery
<ChaosMage> Oax: NAMBLA isn't about changing laws
<ChaosMage> its about having *** with minors
<MikeyD> however, because theyre devoted to the exploitation of children for their own personal desires, i think they should be shot for soliciting the idea
<Oax> ChaosMage I'm not sure on that
<ChaosMage> I am
<Lupine> CB: Since Ginsburg believes that women of age 12 is competent to give consent.. shouldn't she join up?
<OcDoc> Chaos: just like NAMBLA has a right to organize for any legal purpose, like lobbying for laws
<FreeTrade> We are only one of 2 or 3 countries in the world that have any legalized gay marraige anyway and 2 of the 3 countries at least I think will change the law against it.
<FreeTrade> USA and Italy
<Oax> ChaosMage anyhow. would you "allow" a group that wanted to change the laws to permit something that was currently illegal?
<MikeyD> who said ginsburg is the child *** authority?
<MikeyD> theyre children until they become adults
<FreeTrade> Until a crime is committed with speech you can not criminalize the speech itself.
<MikeyD> when they become adults, they can take it in the *** for nambla all day long if they so desire
<ChaosMage> Oax: it would have to be evident that they were just lobbying and didn't already partake in the illegal acts
<Lupine> the point thou: the constitution is non specific on what age minor becomes adults... and the constitution is not specific that homo***uals are a protected cl***
<FreeTrade> if I ask you to accept money to kill someone Then I have committed a crime.
<CometBaby> well Joycelyn Elders ... Clintons surgeon general .. wanted to teach *********ion to kindergardners
<OcDoc> Chaos: no, the other way areound ... you have to PROVE they are guilty first
<ChaosMage> Lupine: The constitution didn't say anything about blacks or women either
<Lupine> CB: AA or plugin?
<OcDoc> otherwise they are presumed innocent
<FreeTrade> If I say I think all government officials should die, its no crime.. thats free speech (An extreme example)
<Lupine> DChaos: ah, yes it does
<ChaosMage> OcDoc: Thats stupid :p
<Oax> ChaosMage sure. like if in the charter of the group it said "we are firmly against breaking existing laws. we do not condone illegal activity."
<Exdeath> NAMBLA's goal is to end the extreme oppression of men and boys in mutually consensual relationships by:
<Exdeath> building understanding and support for such relationships;
<Exdeath> educating the general public on the benevolent nature of man/boy love;
<Exdeath> cooperating with lesbian, gay, feminist, and other liberation movements;
<Exdeath> supporting the liberation of persons of all ages from ***ual prejudice and oppression.
<ChaosMage> OcDoc: organizations should be presumed guilty
<Exdeath> Taken off of their web site
<ChaosMage> individuals innocent
<FreeTrade> One think people, even constitutionalists like to deny or overlook is that Congress has a lot of power to make laws.
<MikeyD> there wouldnt be a nambla if butters had taken one for the team
<Lupine> FT: How about that you believe it would be divine wisdom if a 230grain slug of lead appeared miracilously 4" behind their left temple?
<Oax> Exdeath heh I guess they don't see much chance in changing laws without changing social opinion & norms first. i don't give them good odds
<FreeTrade> Taxation. The Congress has said and made it a law that a marraige as defined by the federal government is between a man and a woman..
<FreeTrade> one man and one woman.
<hans_kung> what is it with you and shooting guns into heads man? You really do have an unhealthy obsession man :)
<hans_kung> You're kinda scary :)
<MikeyD> our taxiation should be illegal int he first place the way its currently handeled
<FreeTrade> They dont accept polygamy or gay marraige though they do accept gay union, Even Barney Frank I am pretty sure is anti gay marraige.
<Lupine> FT: Yep, and as long as the constitution does not recognize "marriage" as an "inalienable and protected right".. that is how the law should stand.
<MikeyD> when europe has a less punishing tax structure than we do, thats an issue
<FreeTrade> Bigoted behavior from this ip/domain
<Lupine> hans: eh? I did not say anything about shooting
<Lupine> hans: I believe that god has the power to make miracles
<FreeTrade> Its up to congress. and the people can override the courts and the congress by constitutional amendment.
<MikeyD> i think government should stay out of all marriage
<Oax> hans_kung yes he was talking about a surgical lead slug implant, performed by a doctor
<MikeyD> hetro or homo
<hans_kung> yah, but you always talking about shooting people in the head, it's almost like a pet phrase of yours.
<Lupine> oax: naw, just a direct divine intervention by god.. who are we to question god's will?
<Oax> oh sorry he said miraculously
<hans_kung> Just saying, I'd steer clear of you on the highway, I wouldn't want to cut you off :P
<FreeTrade> and if takes constitutional amendments for the will of the people to be expressed when it is unjusty taken away by the courts using a pretense of law. then so be it.
<Oax> Lupine so true
<hans_kung> hehe
<MikeyD> i fail to see how thats an issue that government ever needed to be conderned with
<FreeTrade> brb
<FreeTrade> work
<ChaosMage> Sodomy is illegal in many states
<MikeyD> i dont get that either
<Oax> God works in mysterious ways
<Lupine> oax: I could say.. maybe god would see fit to accelerate the proton degeneracy in the molecules currently residing in his cerebellium.. but most wouldn't get that ;-)
<FreeTrade> Sodomy by the supreme court was declared not a crime in any state or principality of the USA
<MikeyD> hell, in texas republicans have made it to where housewives can be arrested for selling vibrators
<panini> Oax: some gods do
<Oax> Lupine you mean make the protons in the molecules in his head decay into something other?
<Lupine> Oax: correct.. protons degenerate into a neutron, a positron, and a ton of radiation ;-)
<MikeyD> they actually send undercover agents in posing as a married couple to find out whos selling the vibrators and arrest them
<Lupine> but the half life ( normally )of protons are incredibly long
<Oax> i thought they were pretty stable
<panini> they are pretty stable
<CometBaby> I have a few minutes before I have to leave
<Oax> cause you don't see a lot of free neutrons rolling around
<Lupine> one of the most stable yes.. but on the order of like 10EE+12 years or something
<panini> but they do degenerate after a looooong period of time
<OcDoc> how is that worse than sending an undercover cop into a topless bar to catch waitresses for "illegal contact"
<CometBaby> someone asked me earlier why I was defending the ten commandmants or something .. so let me give you my opinion on that
<MikeyD> its not, its the same damned thing
<MikeyD> government putting its hands in **** it doesnt have a constitutional right to be in
<CometBaby> imho, I think that putting the ten commandments in schools will do for student morality what putting the bible in motel rooms has done for adultery :)
<OcDoc> panini: not quite true ... a proton can degenerate tomorrow
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