| |
| |
| |
|
Page: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79
<bmc> heh
<bmc> :P
<OcDoc> bmc: WHY is he unskilled? why did he drop out?
<ChaosMage> OcDoc: Wow you're a genius!
<MikeyD> if he had an education, would he have this issue?
<ChaosMage> okay he got a highschool education
<ChaosMage> what jobs can he get with it
<MikeyD> if he had skills, would this be an issue?
<bmc> he dropped out because he had to go get a job to help feed his family
<MikeyD> why didnt he get a scholarship?
<OcDoc> Chao: I'm a little above average intelligence on standard tests ... what dif does THAT make?
<MikeyD> and why did he have to get a job to feed his family?
<ChaosMage> MikeyD: I didn't get a scholarship, am I a drooling moron?
<bmc> at mcdonalds
<bmc> MikeyD because they are poor
<MikeyD> no, but it means you didnt excel as your other cl***mates might have had
<bmc> it has to start somewhere
<ChaosMage> OcDoc: I was being sarcastic about your "its a made up hypothetical situation!" comment
<tnzr> If any man says he hates war more than I do, he better have a knife, that's all I have to say.
<bmc> and it starts with the wealthy
<panini> liberals like to believe it's luck, so they can demand govt handouts
<OcDoc> Chaos: no, it just means you have to succeed by some other means
<bmc> the problem lies there
<OcDoc> Chaso: i didn't say that
<bmc> MikeyD i never said they were his kids
<bmc> his family
<OcDoc> Chaos: so you were aiming it at the wrong person
<bmc> could be siblings, could be parents
<ChaosMage> Anyway
<ChaosMage> Nomatter where he works
<OcDoc> many people learn skills on the job
<ChaosMage> without a college education its going to be hard to find anything that will cover much more than cost of living in a city
<MikeyD> thats his familys issue, not his. if they cant feed themselves, the most respectful thing they can do is not to drag that person down with them
<OcDoc> if they're intelligent, careful, and working they CAN succeed
<bmc> MikeyD youre living in a fantasy world :P
<MikeyD> i didnt have a college education, or even a high school one, i still did well for myself
<ChaosMage> you're not rich now
<bmc> the overwhelming majority of poor, stay poor
<panini> define rich
<bmc> there is no getting out
<ChaosMage> MikeyD: anyway even if it is true you're the exception not the rule
<MikeyD> ofcorse not, but im not poor, i have my own business and i do radio
<Lupine> bmc: eh? most college kids are poor :P
<bmc> if they make it out, they are the exception to the rule
<OcDoc> my parents were moderately wealthy, not inherited, professional people and they did not pay for my college or medical school
<bmc> Lupine cant say the same for their parents
<panini> most ppl's definition of rich is "having more money than*I* have"
<trompe> what's preventing this hypothetical mcdonald's employee from earning more while self employed?
<MikeyD> not to mention, i just left los angeles because my tax bracket was 43%
<bmc> trompe lack of money
<MikeyD> which means, 43% of my income was going to people who didnt do what i did to earn it
<OcDoc> I bummed around for the first five years after I graduated from high school a year early
<OcDoc> trying to get an angle on where I fit into the world
<MikeyD> i didnt need money to educate myself
<MikeyD> we have libraries
<MikeyD> theyre FREE
<MikeyD> you know?
<bmc> how you going to get there?
<OcDoc> Mikey: we get it
<MikeyD> walk?
<panini> bmc: walk
<OcDoc> bmc: give up ... you aren't making any sense
<Lupine> Mikey: Yep. Most people make excuses, instead of getting up and bettering themselves
<bmc> sure, ***uming youre within walking distance
<MikeyD> if you want it that bad, then youll do what you need to do to make it happen
<MikeyD> doesnt matter
<trompe> bmc: but I thought America was capitalism central... there are no business opportunities to be had in manually intensive industries? gardening with rented equipment? learning a trade/craft?
<OcDoc> bmc: no ***umptions needed
<Lupine> bmc: I'ld say that probably 95% of the city population are able to get to some sort of library
<MikeyD> if i can walk 45 mins to go play a ****ing video game when i was a kid, i can walk my *** to the library
<panini> bmc so you think where you choose to live is a matter of sheer random chance? That's liberal thinking
<Lupine> besides, at almost every public school.. there are libraries
<OcDoc> heh ... Doctor Fraud
<ChaosMage> What is a library going to do
<bmc> you are not thinking, they have to live, NOW
<ChaosMage> having the knowledge doesn't matter
<ChaosMage> you need a piece of paper saying you're allowed to do the job
<bmc> they cant sit around at a library all day, they have to work, at whatever job they can get NOW
<Lupine> Chaos: Uh.. simply READING while young will give you a major headup.
<OcDoc> bmc; you're the one doing the NOT THINKING
<Lupine> bmc: stop making excuses and get off your fat lazy butt :P
<bmc> its simple, the poor get poorer, the rich get richer
<ChaosMage> The posistion of the rich and medium cl*** is that the poor are poor because they deserve it
<OcDoc> bmc; it's also wrong as well as simple
<Lupine> Funny. I was pretty poor, and I'm doing very well for myself.
<ChaosMage> there's no way to ever change that
<OcDoc> Chaos: that's not true
<bmc> Lupine then you an exception to the rule
<MikeyD> even then, there are other ways to get ahead
<bmc> are
<OcDoc> Chaos: that's only true if they can't get out of poverty no matter what they do
<MikeyD> yes, the poor are poor because they deserve it
<Lupine> bmc: No, no I am not. Alot of the kids in my HS have had a good life.
<ChaosMage> by definition
<ChaosMage> someone on irc
<MikeyD> theyre not doing the things that would change that
<ChaosMage> is an exception
<MikeyD> for example
<MikeyD> farrah gray
<MikeyD> http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/studentwork/cns/2002-03-20/327.asp
<OcDoc> some people don't succeed in the system because they don't fit in
<OcDoc> they don't work hard, they don't get along personally, they don't have enough intelligence
<Lupine> ocdoc: sure, but I bet more people don't succeed because they don't want to, and do not have the drive to
<MikeyD> now, how do you go from ghetto broke *** poor to being a millionare before you can legally drive a car
<MikeyD> ?
<OcDoc> they're addicted to stuff or they're stuck because of previous bad decisions
<OcDoc> Lupine: same thing
<Lupine> OcDoc: Yep, in otherwards, they are reeping the rewards of their prior choices
<MikeyD> if youre *** is sitting at home watching tv, ****ing some hoodrat or something else equally as stupid, you get whats coming to you
<Lupine> more often than not, people's lives are the consequence of their life choices
<OcDoc> Lupine: well, I don't know how that translates into "deserve"
<MikeyD> which, sadly, is nothing
<OcDoc> it's a loaded word
<Lupine> OcDoc: Okay.. "the direct result of their own actions and choices in life"
<Lupine> maybe "earned" is better than "deserved"?
<Oax> there are a lot more bad choices for the poor to make
<OcDoc> but some try to ***ert that they didn't choose it, society made them that way
<SweetLeaf> am I on the air
<MikeyD> ok, i need to eat something
<MikeyD> OH
<Lupine> Sweet: nope
<MikeyD> and rich people make stupid decisions too
<SweetLeaf> heh
<MikeyD> and become poor
<MikeyD> mc hammer is a good example of that
<MikeyD> =)
<Lupine> Tyson is even better
<MikeyD> peter criss
<MikeyD> yeah, thats a good one
<SweetLeaf> when I turned 16 mommy did not buy me a car I had to work for it
<Lupine> Tyson had it all, and he gave it away
<Oax> society makes a bit of a safety net for the rich. becoming poor gets disproportionately harder the richer you are
<MikeyD> turned out better for you that way didnt it?
<MikeyD> society makes a saftey net for everyone
<SweetLeaf> yupper
<hans_kung> heh, remember that movie Trading Places with Eddie Murphy, best way to hurt a rich person is make them dirt poor.
<MikeyD> the point is there doesnt need to be any saftey net for any body
<MikeyD> regardless of cl***
<Oax> if you are super rich (100s of millions, say), you'd practically have to _try_ to become dirt poor
<SweetLeaf> I have bought everything on my own no one loaned me money form family
<panini> hans_kung: wrong
<MikeyD> people will be more apt to do what they need to do to survive if theres no net to save them from starving
<hans_kung> panini: says you <G>
<panini> hans_kung: that movie was totally unrealistic.
<MikeyD> anyways
<SweetLeaf> My family was poor did not have money to give me
Return to politics
or
Go to some related
logs:
asm
unixboard
Mr Slick
football
iptables rules script example outbound filtering
|
|