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<jhicks> hehe
<jhicks> TimothyW: whatsamatter with partying?
<FreeTrade> And they were going to publish a false and damaging story unless the whitehous corrected it.
<FreeTrade> Thats the irony
<West`> this was done just to smear him/her, If omg clinton would have done it. You guys woulda already hung him.
<West`> or hanged him*
<jhicks> TimothyW: I don't begrudge George for having fun
<TimothyW> jhicks : letting Reporters get Licquoured up in the Emb***y before the war is egregious.
<DarthBurg> Clinton smeared many people, no one cared.
<jhicks> feh
<jhicks> What better time to do it?
<jhicks> The next few weeks were gonna be hell and they knew it
<sym`> West`: I don't believe so. I think this whole "leak" was really just people trying to figure out who sent Wilson there, and why
<West`> DarthBurg and that make it ok then?
<sym`> I think administration officials were trying to figure out why of all people Wilson would be sent to Niger for whatever reason
<DarthBurg> west, of course not, but everyone knows smear tactics is all the left has anymore. they are certainly not putting forth any ideas or solutions. so, I get a kick out of people who say republicans smear people.
<FreeTrade> In other words the dirtly little truth that the CIA was trying to cover its *** and push blame away.. was going to be published the way the CIA wanted it published based on their lies and on the lies of joe wilson. And the whitehouse is guilty of trying to stop a dishonest story.
<Lupine> I *still* havn't seen anyone provide any evidence that she was an "active covert agent".. and alot of evidnce to the contrary.. why is the liberal media refusing to address that question?
<jhicks> sym`: no, they were trying to uphold their lies
<West`> he wrote an artcile the administration didnt like, most of the reports have libby all pissed off over it and wanting to do anying he could to discredit him.
<DarthBurg> i like irony
<FreeTrade> When I first heard covert agent I said hang the bastard.
<FreeTrade> But when I learned how un covert she is and was, I think its a ****ing joke.
<sym`> And as for Plame, well .. I don't buy that her "job" was in trouble, or her life because of this so called "leak"
<FreeTrade> in fact a rule change should not allow such people to be considered covert
<FreeTrade> people dont use the CIA as a Coverjob for Covert action.
<jhicks> FreeTrade: it costs a lotta money to set up a front company
<jhicks> taxpayer funded
<TheTailor> We need to take bets on this
<TimothyW> jhicks : yes it does.
<FreeTrade> When you walk through the front doors of CIA unhidden every day and go sit at a desk you are NOT covert.
<sym`> I think this is just a big "to-do" to try and get top administration members indicted or pin something on them
<West`> we also dont know her actual job capacity so I think its wrong to say she was or wasnt covert.
<FreeTrade> Thats why there will be no indictment related to a covert agent.
<West`> like the CIA tells you the cards its playing.
<jhicks> FreeTrade: well, that's not exactly what the situation was either
<sym`> I mean, how many times did they try to nail Cheney for *anything* having to do with Halliburton and fail?
<Lupine> west: that many knew she worked for the CIA prior to the article.. shows they are not covert
<sym`> On many occ***ions might I add
<TheTailor> FT, I agree
<Lupine> Hell, it was close to 20 years after he retired, that we knew my grandfather worked for the CIA
<West`> Lupine we will see, the prosecutor meet with neighbors, friends and business ***ociates from mr and mrs wilson
<FreeTrade> their could be one for illegally identifying a cia member, a much less harmful charge or like a lot speculate prosecuted for not telling the whole truth
<West`> we will see
<sym`> It's the same thing, just using a new "source" AKA this CIA "leak"
<Lupine> west: well, we already know that the neighbors knew she worked for the CIA
<DarthBurg> yes, we will see. when Joe Wilson is indited, it should be quite hilarious
<FreeTrade> Look, This Woman was not a covert agent.
<FreeTrade> Not by law.
<Lupine> west: but yea, they may ignore the law for political reasons
<jhicks> Fact is, the Justice Dept and the CIA saw cause to initiate an investigation
<Lupine> FT: yep, that ought to be the end of the line
<West`> FreeTrade and you know her cia file eh?
<DeDannan> bah..the whole thing is a pissing contest between the Hate Bush crowd and the Defend Dubya at any cost gang...its tedious
<FreeTrade> A co writer of the very law they first talked about said it didnt apply in this case.
<FreeTrade> The AUTHOR of the law said this.
<Lupine> jhick: well yea, if it was factions who sent Plame to go after bush
<FreeTrade> CO author
<hans_kung> who is this author?
<West`> maybe as the amb***adors wife, she had contacts with other wives ect..
<FreeTrade> to congresspersons wrote the law.
<hans_kung> I see him cited as some proof.
<jhicks> Lupine: nope, it was the justice dept
<FreeTrade> to = two
<hans_kung> And Fitzy is a smart guy, and so is the judge.
<West`> we dont know anything so, "she is or isnt" is ridiculous
<DarthBurg> investigation=guilt oh I am sorry, but this is america, the minor fact that there is an investigation is neither pro nor con, nice red herring tho
<jhicks> and ashcroft recused himself
<hans_kung> YOu know they know this law and seeing evidence we haven't.
<sym`> Looking at Wilson's record, it is known he is a "show off"
<FreeTrade> And then again you have to go back to the fact that the press approached them with the story, not vice versa
<hans_kung> Why would they allow this to procede if they can read this law and seen evidence no one in the channel has?
<West`> gotta love it, this turned into smearing the wilsons.
<West`> libby would be proud sym
<TimothyW> jhicks : Ashcroft recused himself on the Enron thing If I remember right.
<jhicks> yeah
<jhicks> Because they were cozy with Lay
<hans_kung> West--gonna be funny when the indictments come down and this goes to trial, and the spinmasters at the White House work their magic on Fitzy.
<sym`> West`: Not at all. I'm not smearing anyone. But it is known Wilson is very loud and very "showy"
<FreeTrade> aaaaaaaaaaaaaa versioned me..anyone else ?
<TimothyW> jhicks : nah.
<DeDannan> yep
<jhicks> yeah
<West`> yeah and msg'd
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<FreeTrade> aaaaaaaaa on +#politics
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<FreeTrade> aaaaaaaaa End of /WHOIS list.
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<sym`> West`: It is also known Wilson is a hardcore critic of the Bush administration
<FreeTrade> Well they get to recieve a free **** list
<West`> omg, its the police
<jhicks> sym`: because they **** :)
<DarthBurg> oh I bet we are supposed to be in fear now, its da POLICIA
<sym`> West`: So why, on earth would the administration send Wilson to Niger?
<sym`> Of all people none-the-less?
<jhicks> sym`: they even **** as bad as clinton ****ed
<jhicks> maybe worse
<aaaaaaaaa> i am not the police !
<West`> I hadnt noticed any prior public disagreements with this adminsitration, but i will look it up
<FreeTrade> Anyone else get versions, I want to make sure I am being fair here ?
<FreeTrade> Versioned.
<sym`> sym`: It just doesn't make sense. Top officials were saying the same thing I am sure when they were finding out this as well
<jhicks> West`: he was supporting democrats
<TimothyW> I didn't get it.
<West`> lol
<jhicks> West`: that was his perogative
<sym`> West`: Wilson was a known critic of the war and the administration
<West`> omg! well then he is evil
<sym`> West`: Doesn't make him evil, just stating fact
<jhicks> sym`: criticism deserved
<FreeTrade> It was a slime job by the CIA WIlson and why isnt Nepotism wrong in the CIA ?
<jhicks> Because Plame didn't ***ign him
<jhicks> She recommended him
<jhicks> And he was a good choice
<FreeTrade> I mean I have no problem with 2 brothers working in the CIA or even the whole family, but when they are supervising each other or giving ***ignments I become a little bit concerned.
<sym`> Again, why would the administraion *knowingly* send a prominent critic of the war to Niger for issues having to do *with* the war, and intel for it?
<TimothyW> Recommendations blah same damn thing.
<sym`> It doesn't make sense
<West`> so the only people that can work for the govt, must agree blindly?
<jhicks> FreeTrade: she didn't ***ign him
<jhicks> or supervise him
<FreeTrade> She recommended him
<West`> if you have any bit of your own thinking, you are sabotaging the administration?
<jhicks> so?
<FreeTrade> To me thats the same
<sym`> Not at all, but it doesn't make sense that *he* would be a choice
<jhicks> He had experience in Niger
<FreeTrade> So she and he had a purpose
<jhicks> And Iraq
<FreeTrade> A unethical purpose.
<jhicks> Sorta like how Halliburton is qualified
<FreeTrade> its so obvious
<West`> I dont see how him supporting democrats or coming out against iraq, makes him prejudge information for the CIA. thats a wild claim.
<jhicks> Unethical in what manner?
<OcDoc> Halliburton isn't a person ... it's a corporation
<FreeTrade> Why did he tell the press that Cheney hired him ?
<FreeTrade> When Cheney didnt ?
<pilgrim`> amazing how editors can already decide how busy a news day tomorrow will be
<sym`> I mean, democrats claim the Bush administration is full of "yes" men/women right? So why would this "Yes Men" administration, send a very loud "No Man" to look into intel having to do with the war
<jhicks> Corporations *are* "people" legally speaking
<OcDoc> jhicks: no, they're not
<pilgrim`> jhicks why does that bring to mind the last line in Soylent Green the movie?
<jhicks> sym`: the CIA is not part of the administration
<FreeTrade> The vice president has not control over the internal operations of haliburton nor any financial interest in it which wasnt owed to him beforre he became vice president.
<OcDoc> well, off to lunch ... laterz
<jhicks> pilgrim`: hehe
<FreeTrade> money owed to him already when he was ceo
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