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<Lithium-> she didnt send him
<jhicks> No, she didn't send him.
<DarthBurg> Disbelief its only a technicality to people who think lying is no big deal
<Lithium-> :/
<TimothyW> Erica Hill needs a prize.
<h0mi> cuz she didnt send him
<jhicks> That's an outright lie.
<h0mi> but she recommended him
<jhicks> yes
<DStewart> No, she didn't literally send him. She proposed sending him, and worked to get him sent.
<Rockfish> She arranged for him to be sent, details
<TomM--> DS by innuendo.....and no she didnt send him. Tenet sent him.
<Lithium-> "worked to get him sent"?
<hans_kung> Bush ran against Clinton saying he wanted the White House to have respect again. Indictment time, and he swore "I'll fire whoever leaked that info." :) Ain't happened yet. FLIP FLOP.
<Lithium-> wtf does that mean?
<jhicks> semantics
<Disbelief> dARTHbURGH - apparrently one of those people is Kay Baily Hutchinson.
<DStewart> Tom, what innuendo?
<DStewart> Innuendo about what?
<JanetB> Bush did not run against clinton
<BElanna> thanks for the speed reading course.. :P
<Exdeath> Yeah, no one is even indicted yet, let alone convicted of that crime.
<jhicks> hans_kung: wanna waffle?
<meekrab> Dstewart, fitzgerald will probably be announcing that tomarrow tomarrow
<BElanna> torres out (bleep)
<jhicks> I got some pecans today.
<Disbelief> hans - fliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip flooooooooooooooooooooooooop \\\\\\ /////// \\\\\//////
<CometBaby> The outright lie was when he denied that his wife recommended him
<DarthBurg> Disbelief yes, leave it to you to point out one exception and declare it a rule
<CometBaby> that was the outright lie
<jhicks> CometBaby: yeah, granted
<DStewart> Lithium, as you're a moron, I'll be very much more specific. She recommended that her husband be sent to Niger to check out the intel about Iraq attempting to buy yellowcake from Niger.
<bud``> hans_kung i believe a proper balance of the 2 party system is essential for everyone.. when one side completely breaks down and resorts to having absolutely no policy other than selling out their own country, trying to criminalize bull**** issues, selling books and documentaries, its just ****ing over.
<TimothyW> Erica Hill can my Wing Woman anytime.
<TomM--> DS...that vast left wing conspiracy....he donated to the Kerry campaign...they didnt mention he also supported Bush I...
<Lithium-> DStewart: proof?
<TimothyW> Erica Hill can be my Wing Woman anytime.
<jhicks> CometBaby: But that was in the middle of the outing too, under duress
<deidara> good evening salstress
<DStewart> Lithium, she first did it in writing, proposing both the mission and her husband as the one to undertake it.
<deidara> are you here to have a political discussion?
<Disbelief> So is there ANY conservative who will take the 1:3 odds of indictment that i'm offering ?
<DStewart> Lithium, then she held a meeting to sell the mission, and her husband's undertaking it.
<jhicks> deidara: we're mostly here to hate on each other :)
<Lithium-> DStewart: proof?
<BlueJeans> I guess tomorrow will be Inditement Friday. Would love to see the look on Bush's face as his party of corrupt cronies continues to self-distruct. A confused Bush always has that toddler-during-potty-training look.
<DStewart> Lithium, then she followed up with a memo repeating the suggestion.
<Disbelief> anybody have any confidence in rove or libby enough to bet on em ?
<bmc> jhicks ****s
<TomM--> DS youve seen CIA documents? Wow...I give up....geez...
<bmc> :P
<jhicks> bmc: *sniff*
<Disbelief> BlueJeans - or as we prefer to call it, FITZMAS.
<DStewart> Lithium, proof? See the SEnate Intel Committee's report on 9/11.
<DStewart> Lithium, it's all in there.
<DarthBurg> there is only one political party in the US self destructing right now, and its not the republicans
<bmc> hah, j/k
<jhicks> gimme a beer
<bud``> Disbelief over indictment or conviction? I will bet the farm there will be no conviction in this case
<DStewart> TomM, What is the smear, and what innuendo?
<bmc> hrm, dont have any beer
<jhicks> loser
<jhicks> hehe
<DStewart> There was no innuendo about any left wing conspiracy.
<Lithium-> DStewart: dont tell me to "see __ ", if you dont want to sound like you're spewing bull****, prove what you say, dont refer me to hundreds of pages
<DarthBurg> hans_kung I have a clue.
<BlueJeans> "What would Delay Do?"
<Disbelief> bud - lets not get carried away. indictment for starters, then you can offer odds for conviction...and then i'll offer odds that Bush dirtily pardon's the lot of em.
<jhicks> DStewart: I thought it was a vast right-wing conspiracy?!?
<DStewart> He did donate to the Kerry campaign, but no one said anything about that as a result of his op ed piece.
<CometBaby> jhicks so you are being an apologist for Wilsons lie .. "but"
<bmc> smack my ***** up!
<bud``> Disbelief you see, in america, you have to be convicted..
<bmc> who sings this song?
<DStewart> Lithium, you know how to use Google.
<bmc> :P
<Kaliuna> Comet - hi
<hans_kung> :P
<bud``> indictment means little
<DStewart> You also know how to use Ctrl F
<jhicks> CometBaby: I've always disliked neocons and karl rove
<CometBaby> hey kali :)
<CometBaby> jhicks so you think that it is okay for Wilson to lie?
<jhicks> CometBaby: anything to watch them twist in the wind
<DarthBurg> Republicans make m***ive gains in 02, Time Mag puts the one democrat who got elected on its cover. No Bias Here.
<Lithium-> DStewart: so do you, burden of proof is on you
<Kaliuna> Comet -- made tomato juice today -- ohh good stuff!
<CometBaby> kali yeah it is
<jhicks> CometBaby: I really don't care about wilson much
<DarthBurg> ayup yup. when the Donks are dead and gone, I will be right here, saying, "I told ya so."
<CometBaby> jhicks but you were quick to call it a lie when someone said his wife sent him
<CometBaby> hypocrisy
<Disbelief> bud - oh don't worry, i agree that both Rove and Libby, by definition of law are innocent until proven guilty. But i dont' need to think they're guilty to be pretty damn sure that they'll be indicted.
<jhicks> CometBaby: ok, guilty
<jhicks> crap
<DStewart> Lithium, actually no. You asked what "worked to get him sent" meant. I explained it with reference to the facts. The burden's been satisfied.
<Nemes> lol
<Nemes> busted jhicks
<bud``> Disbelief right, which means nothing..
<Nemes> hehe
- not even catholic
<DStewart> If you want the documentary proof, I've given you the source for the information. You can go dig it out yourself.
<Rockfish> I doubt Rove will be indicted, maybe Libby
<bmc> prodigy, heh
<CometBaby> jhicks .. just try to be consistent. I if you dislike liars than be consistent.
<jhicks> CometBaby: I let my hatred blind me, sorry.
<TomM--> Comet...his wife didnt send him. That is a fact. You hang on to that, its all you have to hang on to.
<DarthBurg> Disbelief do you KNOW that? or are ya just guessin, like everyone else? are you of the school of thought that simply because there is an investigation, someone has to be guilty?
<bud``> Disbelief indict every registered GOP voter for all I care, its no idication of right/wrong
<CometBaby> TomM .. no. His wife recommended him. And Wilson lied about that. You hang onto that :)
<jhicks> wro
<DStewart> TomM, his wife is the one who originated the mission, and proposed sending Wilson. All of which Wilson lied about.
<jhicks> wrrrr
<Kaliuna> TomM -- got news for you - even the CIA admits that she did recommend him...
<DStewart> TomM, several times.
<jhicks> incorrect.
<DarthBurg> useful idiot
<Rockfish> What use?
<DarthBurg> why to push bull**** of course
<DStewart> TomM, and of course Wilson lied when he said he knew the Italian documents were forgeries. He never even saw them.
<Disbelief> bud - i never said it was. it certainly -looks- bad, as it looked bad for clinton, reagan, ect. of course nothing is final until there's a conviction or a guilty plea, but that's not what we're talkign about. we're talking about indictments, which are serious. not just anybody gets indicted.
<DStewart> They didn't even come into the hands of the US gov't until 8 months after Wilson went to Niger.
<meekrab> the possible charge for rove will be...disclosure of covert cia agent, perjury, obstruction of justice and maybe even conspiracy. I wonder how much dirt rove would sling if he was feeling betrayed?
<jhicks> I've never seen the Italian documents either
<TomM--> DS...whoa....the Vice President originated the mission. He queried Tenet about the Niger connection. Your really changing the soap opera now.
<DStewart> Tom, but Wilson said that he knew that they were forged WHEN HE WENT TO NIGER.
<jhicks> And I knew they were forgeries
<CometBaby> Disbelief .. well interesting you would make the clinton comparison.
<DStewart> TomM, no, the Vice President didn't originate the mission.
<jhicks> Faked breakin at the Niger emb***y
<Rockfish> TomM, that's a lie, you ****, Cheney never said anything about a mission, he asked a friggin question
<CometBaby> In clintons case there was never a question about outright lies
<jhicks> Not a breakin mind you
<DStewart> TomM, that was another lie by Wilson.
<CometBaby> yet there were no indictments
<jhicks> A faked one
<DStewart> TomM, god, it is clear you don't' even know the basic facts here.
<h0mi> i thought the forged documents surfaced after his trip to niger
<bud``> Disbelief indictments USED to be serious, until the left discovered tham as an alternative to the ballot box
<DStewart> homi, 8 months after.
<jhicks> bud``: Tell that to Martha Stewart :)
<h0mi> i lost track about this case
<jhicks> indictments (and grand juries) generally ****
<Lithium-> http://mediamatters.org/items/200507200002
<DarthBurg> Democrats are beneath contempt.
<jhicks> I don't even like grand juries
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