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<alh> the nano is cool
<strider_> iLinux
<alh> it has two arm7 processors
<P_O> The new iPod is totally iPr0n.
<alh> actually its about the same hardware as any ipod
<DStewart> PO, so you think you're gonna enjoy it?
<TimothyW> I agree with Israel.
<P_O> DStewart, I have like $100
<DeDannan> time to flee..cheers kids...
<P_O> and I'm not goin to spend it on an iPod
<pilgrim`> ttf...
<alh> it will be soo fun to code for the nano :)
<DStewart> PO, why not? Get a Shuffle, and put Linux on it.
<P_O> They should make a shuffle with real capacity
<P_O> I'd buy that ****.
<alh> DStewart: whats the point, without a screen? :)
<DStewart> It's called a Nano
<P_O> Cause shuffled is how I listen to my music.
<P_O> Nah, nano still has a screen.
<pilgrim`> they are workign on a RFID impant and a nano interface so you can download your brain to it ;)
<DStewart> PO, well, given cost structure, I doubt they'll do a higher capacity Shuffle
<alh> the nano can also be usb master.. could connect it to all kinds of whacky hardware :)
<pilgrim`> you hear that Apple bought up ALL the RAM?
<alh> all your ram are belong to apple
<DStewart> pilgrim, all the flash ram, yeah
<pilgrim`> funny
<DStewart> Samsung, anyway
<pilgrim`> the fastest, easiest to use with the most capacity
<randym_> hi strider
<DStewart> Okay, just for those of you who don't perceive irony:
<DStewart> I did NOT install Linux on a shuffle. JOKE, see.
<pilgrim`> DS do not go look at a 5 gen iPod.
<pilgrim`> just walk away
<DStewart> pilgrim, too late---I just looked today
<alh> pilgrim`: ofcourse, what else would you buy if you intend to build top notch hardware? :)
<TimothyW> AAPL didn't buy the Ali Corporation in Taiwan.
<DStewart> pilgrim, know what I thought? Crappy color
<P_O> DStewart, I perceived the irony
<P_O> but then I asked anyway.
<P_O> ;x
<DStewart> I turned on the Eminem commercial on the iPod as it was showing on a nearby iMac---the iPod video looked very bland, washed out.
<DStewart> Product of having only 65,000 colors to work with.
<DStewart> And resolution...etc.
<strider_> hi randym_
<TimothyW> so it isn't a minature after all so what its a test product anyway.
<P_O> iPod software should generate visualizations.
<DStewart> Still, it's smaller, lighter, nicer screen even as just a music player.
<TimothyW> +TV
<alh> P_O: yeah.. I'm working on that.. :)
<pilgrim`> DS my kid has one. Mom bought it
<P_O> alh, heh.
<pilgrim`> DS do you need a mini?\
<DStewart> pilgrim, nope
<strider_> P_O; port acidwarp to the iPod
<pilgrim`> on the store discount section 379 for a pretty good refit
<alh> guy at work has like 5 ipods.. one or two of each model... exept shuffle, that one is boring. :)
<DStewart> Wife and I have a 60GB iPod Photo, and a 1GB Shuffle. That'll probably do us.
<randym_> like a *** machine
<P_O> I only have 2GB of music at the moment
<DStewart> Shuffle's pretty cool
<Yanks> i got a cowon x5 not a big ipod fan
<pilgrim`> I have a Gen1 kid has a Gen 1 and now a Gen 5
<eurolite> hah
<DStewart> PO, I have 34GB, to believe my iPod
<P_O> but I still don't want to buy a 2GB iPod, because I can grow my music collection pretty rapidly.
<alh> he's active in ipod linux project.. I and him are UI designers by trade.... Could be something nice :)
<DStewart> Actually I still have a couple more GB to load on. My holiday music.
<pilgrim`> I traded Apple II parts for the Gen 1 I have. "buying" is against my religion
<eurolite> arent we a tad bit offtopic here?
<strider_> i had a 20 gig ipod that's in some garbage dump right now.
<alh> I have the 4G one.. its a bit small imo.. but you fit a fairly good snipped of your favorites at least..
<randym_> strider_: fbsd rox
<alh> but it would really rule with a like 30G nano
<TimothyW> pilgrim : http://www.ali.com.tw/eng/index.php
<pilgrim`> eurolite its Geek hour on the left coast
<P_O> eurolite, there is no topic to be off.
<alh> my guess is that is not far away
<P_O> alh, the cool thing about Apple's setup is that they get rewarded in lots of publicity for every improvement they make to the iPod
<P_O> so they actually have an interest in making their product better.
<alh> yeah.. genious marketing :)
<bud``> 24bit lossless flac audio.. lol, could fit maybe one album on 1GB
<DStewart> I think tiny, portable video is going to boom.
<eurolite> aye
<alh> and the improvements they deliver is technically really very minor.. just like a new scroll wheel here, a new screen there... shrink the format and use flash.. but still exact same hw setup
<alh> easilly flashed with new sw
<pilgrim`> do they sell just the chip?
<alh> quite cheep to maintain
<P_O> bud``, an album in FLAC should be around 300MB
<eurolite> ipods produce mind altering brainwaves that take control of your body
<alh> They must really haul in tons of cash from this...
<P_O> Should be able to fit 2-3
<pilgrim`> eurolite you are a heretic to the truth of the Shurch of the HolY Steve!
<P_O> Shurch!
<eurolite> translation?
<pilgrim`> too much of the sacramental wine
<DStewart> Checked out the new iMac too, today---only had the 17"
<TimothyW> pilgrim : Ali Corp sells alot of things.
<pilgrim`> eurolite ou are right. Steve Jobs has a reality distortion filed
<eurolite> too much of this holy keef
<DStewart> But the remote is nice, and that "front row" app is cool. I wonder how long it'll be before they make it avail for all Mac users.
<bmc> could copy the raw cd audio and would be 640 mb wouldnt it?
<hans_kung> anyone here have a SACD player?
<hans_kung> just curious
<eurolite> SACD player?
<hans_kung> super audio format
<P_O> Are there any DVD-MP3 Portable players?
<hans_kung> what the industry is moving to
<eurolite> wtf format is that
<pilgrim`> Tim very cool stuff. you are right
<hans_kung> SACD? uses 96khz for the recordings
<hans_kung> 5.1 channel sound, but most 2 channel
<hans_kung> unlike DVD-A
<eurolite> im used to my 8track and caset tapes
<eurolite> wtf is all this dvd-a ****
<pilgrim`> my hearing is so bad it would be lost on me
<P_O> Is there even a point to 96KHz?
<P_O> I mean, is there a hearable difference?
<P_O> pilgrim`, I might be in the same boat.
<bmc> mp3 works as good as cdda
<eurolite> mecha is going to destroy the world
<bmc> heh, i usually cant tell much diff
<eurolite> computers are evil
<pilgrim`> PO too many things going Boom over the years. I have tinitus in 1 ear
<bmc> unless you have perfect hearing
<P_O> There are some mp3s where I can't tell the difference between 192 and 92
<eurolite> just like those girls on tv planning a meeting to protest cellphones using cellphones
<bud``> P_O flac 16 bit, sure
<P_O> bud``, I thought all FLACs where the same type?
<bud``> nope
<bmc> 20 mb for one song in .flac
<P_O> Odd.
<bmc> :P
<bud``> flac 24 bit
<bud``> flac 16 bit
<bud``> etc..
<P_O> What do the bits designate there?
<bud``> might be more options even
<hans_kung> euro: DVD-A is dvd format for music
<hans_kung> 5.1 channel only
<bmc> ogg supposedly is better quality as lower bitrate than mp3
<P_O> I thought all FLAC was, was a solid archive of compressed frames in the song.
<hans_kung> no 2 channel sound
<bmc> or some ****
<hans_kung> well they revised that now ;)
<bmc> i never used it though
<hans_kung> SACD and DVD-A are supposed to have anti piracy features also.
<Yanks> 192kbit is my minimum
<bmc> smaller files, not larger files :P
<bmc> just use vbr
<hans_kung> Yanks, that's the same for me
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