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<Linus-> **** off
<Katey> P_O, lol
<Linus-> not you P_O
<gopp> let me read it
<b1ff> Disbelief no, this is about wilsons website - and he didnt campaign for kerry till the end, at least not in an official capacity like earlier
<P_O> Does fox host transcripts?
<gopp> hortly after Newsweek published an email by Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper to Time Washington bureau chief Mike Duffy saying that, according to White House deputy chief of staff Karl Rove, "Wilson's wife" worked at the CIA
<RustyFord> Linus, how much faith do you put in the reports that Wilson got from Niger?
<P_O> I never visit their site outside of a link from here.
<gopp> "Wilson's wife" worked at the CIA
<Disbelief> Linus- you're obsessed with this "clarity" you know that's antithetical to the muddy-the-waters ideal of the anti-wilson bush stooges.
<gopp> worked as in a secerty
<gopp> that all
<gopp> not a intel or op
<gopp> she was a secetry
<RustyFord> as an analytical agent
<Linus-> Disbelief, i sorry!
<RustyFord> she was an agent about 6 years ago
<Katey> she was not a secretary
<gopp> a very cl***fied agent
<gopp> she was so good
<gopp> that we found out about her
<RustyFord> analytical agents do not get "Covert Op" status
<gopp> analytical agents
<Disbelief> Katey - who cares? anything canard that will somehow minimize the crimes of the administration officials is a-ok!
<P_O> Yeah, cause it's totally in an agents hands if they get found.
<Linus-> her identity was kept from public
<gopp> some word or term to make a person sound better
<gopp> Linus- prove it
<Katey> From what I gather, it's pretty difficult to get a neutral source on what her job was, specifically, and her status as covert or not covert
<RustyFord> in otherwords she read reports and looked at maps, and gave her best analysis
<gopp> Linus- and it was not ****, it was some aid
<Linus-> and cia had her working for their dummy company as cover
<FreeTrade> Daughter tells me to print it all and then wants to edit at my computer, I say no you go edit on yours and email what you want printed.
<RustyFord> Linus yes 6 years ago!
<Rockfish> It's pretty irrelevant what her job was
<Katey> I have heard/read that she was "NOC" at the time of the Novak article
<Disbelief> Katey - As i hear it, her car had "CIA SPOOK" license plates on it!
<Katey> Non Official Cover
<Linus-> RustyFord, so?
<P_O> Katey, it's hard to truely know imo.
<gopp> Linus- 6 years ago that was 2001
<gopp> or 2000
<Linus-> she still had ties with people overseas
<gopp> if it was 2000 clinton was president
<Katey> P_O, I imaging that Fitzgerald knows
<Linus-> they could have been endangered
<RustyFord> Linus so, there is a time limit on it
<gopp> Linus- she was cia when clinton was in office
<gopp> Linus- hahaha
<Disbelief> "only indicted"
<Disbelief> talk about "spin"
<Katey> And I doubt he would be persuing the investigation if she wasn't covert in some capacity
<Nemes> even an analitical agent is valuable to the enemy...
<FreeTrade> Yeah, Only
<Disbelief> not so bad!
<Linus-> trhen we are risking other agents from allies overseas
<RustyFord> apparently by the law the person has to be out of the field for a certain period of time
<FreeTrade> He is not the Presidents man for one thing.
<b1ff> article from WaPo about wilson lying - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html
<Rockfish> Disbelief, you're reading it wrong, he meant Lewis Libby alone was indicted
<RustyFord> before she can be revealed as a "covert op"
<FreeTrade> Carl Rove is considered the prime target for Democrats.
<Katey> The whole thing would have been dropped a long time ago if it were evident that no crime has been commited
<gopp> Linus- why do you care so much know
<FreeTrade> Scooter is expendable.
<Disbelief> its a sad day in Republican land when "only indicted" is the "relatively good news"
<gopp> Linus- you didn't care before
<b1ff> Former amb***ador Joseph C. Wilson IV, dispatched by the CIA in February 2002 to investigate reports that Iraq sought to reconstitute its nuclear weapons program with uranium from Africa, was specifically recommended for the mission by his wife, a CIA employee, contrary to what he has said publicly.
<Katey> As the legal scholars in #politics seem to have concluded. :)
<b1ff> that is from the WaPo
<b1ff> hardly a bastion of conservatism
<gopp> Linus- you never cared of broken ops or such information the jimmy carter years or during clinton when we had our spy plane stollen in china
<Disbelief> great news! we're only facing ONE criminal charge today (so far) !
<Linus-> so what?
<b1ff> Wilson last year launched a public firestorm with his accusations that the administration had manipulated intelligence to build a case for war. He has said that his trip to Niger should have laid to rest any notion that Iraq sought uranium there and has said his findings were ignored by the White House.
<b1ff> Wilson.s ***ertions . both about what he found in Niger and what the Bush administration did with the information . were undermined yesterday in a bipartisan Senate intelligence committee report.
<RustyFord> b1ff what i don't get is since when does the CIA have authority to "dispatch" State department officials?
<gopp> Linus- I never see you complain that chinesee took our plane
<Linus-> she wasn't the disopatcher
<Disbelief> FreeTrade - you're cracking me up.
<hans_kung> heh. type type type type. Aint nothing changing the fact Cheney going to be indicted.
<Katey> b1ff, As I recall, that article was pasted in here yesterday and it has a correction at the end.
<gopp> Linus- that a treason like act
<b1ff> The panel found that Wilson.s report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson.s ***ertions and even the government.s previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush.s January 2003 State of the
<gopp> Linus- have china look at our spy stuff
<FreeTrade> No, The truth is any time their is a grand jury investigation it is done completely and fully and one reason a lot of people like Susan Estrich dont like the law is because the pressure is to come up with indictments even if not the original criminal allegation.
<FreeTrade> And I think I agree with her.
<FreeTrade> It was overused with Clinton
<Disbelief> how retrospective of you.
<RustyFord> FT, hence why i said if I was Libby I would have pleaded the 5th
<Linus-> Novak himself claimed that the Senate Intelligence Committee, in its 2004 "Report on the U.S. Intelligence Community's Prewar Intelligence ***essments on Iraq," concluded that Plame suggested the trip. In fact, the committee did not officially conclude that she had been responsible for Wilson's ***ignment.
<b1ff> katey there is no "correction" at the bottom!
<Disbelief> "looking back, maybe the perjury thing wasn't so smart....."
<FreeTrade> And This is the first president in the 2nd term to go so long with no scandals in his administration until this, and then its not from his office or Roves, its from The Vice Presidents advisor.
<Disbelief> biff - thats because its on the side, bozo.
<b1ff> actually, it did conclude that
<TheTailor> FreeTrade, but it wouldn't have been overused had Clinton simply told the truth.
<FreeTrade> DIsbelief, I come here for serious debate. If I am cracking you up and this is your debate style, let me tell you very explicitly I dont debate that way.
<TheTailor> FreeTrade, and even then, Libby isn't being charged with outing an agent.
<RustyFord> thats the part i am interested in Tailor, did Libby intentionally mislead, or was it simply a mistake on his part and the prosecutor is grasping at straws?
<FreeTrade> I dont attack the person I am debating and I dont say I am laughing at them.
<Disbelief> Oh man, i wonder what the bad news is if the 'relatively good news' is that a senior administration official is served with federal criminal charges.
<Katey> In some editions of the Post, a July 10 story on a new Senate report on intelligence failures said that former amb***ador Joseph C. Wilson IV told his contacts at the CIA that Iraq had tried to buy 400 tons of uranium from the African nation of Niger in 1998. In fact, it was Iran that was interested in making that purchase, but no contract was signed, according to the report.
<b1ff> thats not what he lied about - its only a correction of detail
<TheTailor> Disbelief, where's my money?
<Rockfish> If he's guilty Libby should be flogged on the White House lawn for being so stupid
<FreeTrade> Outside of debate I have a good sense of humor and self deprecation, but not when I am debating serious matters.
<b1ff> think about it - apparently there were uranium sales from africa going on
<b1ff> like to iran
<FreeTrade> Learn survival skills.
<b1ff> its inconceivable that saddam would buy some too?
<RustyFord> b1ff with French help
<Disbelief> FreeTrade - how do you think the white house will move to either defend or cast off libby ?
<FreeTrade> Well there is other evidence that yellow Cake was sought from Africa.
<b1ff> RustyFord - these guys are nuts.
<Rockfish> Libby will resign and the White House will accept his resignation, that's how they will move
<b1ff> if anyone should be indicted its wilson
<FreeTrade> Wilson could not disprove it, and I doubt if he did. He simply could not find evidence of it.
<FreeTrade> Well he isnt exactly a spook anyway, hes a diplomat with $1000 SUITS.
<Disbelief> RockFish - thats it? just sweep him under the rug. pretend nothing happened?
<Katey> I don't think the question was "is it concievable that Iraq might attempt to buy uranium from Niger?"
<RustyFord> FT, you don't send an Amb***ador to do a CIA agents job
<FreeTrade> My suit btw cost me $29.99
<TheTailor> FreeTrade, but they did find yellow cake in Iraq.
<Katey> The question was, have they actually sought it?
<RustyFord> that just doesn't make sense to begin with
<Rockfish> Disbelief, what do you think they should do?
<FreeTrade> And it looks as good as any lawyers suit.
<gopp> Disbelief what happen
<gopp> Disbelief what did he do
<gopp> Disbelief what charge has be brought Up
<gopp> Disbelief are you the jurry
<FreeTrade> They found a BUNCH of yellow cake in Iraq.
<lucifer_> yum cake
<FreeTrade> Read the report by 2nd to the last weapons inspector..
<gopp> Disbelief and how do you counter the cliam that they have found eyllow cake in africa
<FreeTrade> I think it was kayy ?
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