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<tweek> looklag: die
<P_O> Lithium-, as long as you are consistent with your thoughts on this, that's fine.
<bud``> ban Santa to?
<Pickle> Bush's next nominee should be Consuelo Maria Callahan, that'll stick a corncob up the right's ***.
<L0c0> santa is non-secular
<L0c0> oh wait
<bud``> lol
<L0c0> maybe he is
<L0c0> n/m
<L0c0> yes
<L0c0> ban santa
<P_O> However, the point about Christian religious symbols being removed more than other religions and other mythos symbols is quite valid.
<P_O> If you believe that there should be no nativity scene promoted by the govt, then govt agencies shouldn't have symbols from say, greek mythos, in their logos either.
<strider_> santa's not real? :(
<Lithium-> santa doesnt have any religion ***ociated with him per se
<P_O> Santa was a ****ing saint
<Lithium-> right
<P_O> And you say there's no religion ***ociated?
<P_O> lol
<Lithium-> but kids think of him as the jolly fat man who gives gifts
<L0c0> no
<Lithium-> or anyone for that matter
<L0c0> nicholas was a saint
<P_O> Santa is based on Saint Nick
<looklag> must go now 2 compaq r4125 laptops price $500 includes shipping anywhere worldwide, case, wireless router. message me on aim at mikcomputing or msn at mogden1981@hotmail.com if you are intersted
<Lithium-> no one thinks of christianity when it comes to santa
<P_O> Lithium-, I do.
<L0c0> santa is a character made up by christians to strike fear into the heads of children
<tweek> looklag: die. now.
<bud``> P_O i think the town should decide it amongst themselves, instead of BIG GOVT being involved
<Lithium-> he's a product of christianity yes, but not a representative of it
<tweek> P_O: I agree though; it doesn't matter.
<P_O> bud``, I just don't see the point in caring.
<tweek> it's a symbol of American culture.
<L0c0> they use Santa to threaten kids "He knows when you are sleeping, eh knows when you're awake, he knows if you've been bad or good, so be good for ****'s sake"
<tweek> whether also a symbol of Christianity is irrelevant.
<bud``> if a little town wants a nativity scene, and one democart in the town gets all offended, tough ****
<P_O> Although personally, I'd prefer multi-cultural sorts of celebrations.
<batank> chicken primavera pot pie mother****ers
<tweek> P_O: but then teh Religious Reich whines.
<P_O> tweek, **** them too.
<tweek> yeah, but when they whine, legislators listen.
<P_O> If they deserve any sort of ****ing place in the US, so does every other religion.
<tweek> because they're ****ing tools.
<tweek> every last ****ing one of 'em.
<Lithium-> mmm tools
<bud``> In 1997, Alito authored the majority opinion upholding a city's right to stage a holiday display that included a Nativity scene and a menorah because the city also included secular symbols and a banner emphasizing the importance of diversity.
<Pickle> If I were Bush, my next nominee would be Mary Murphy Shroeder--and I'd deliver the announcement with a big middle finger aimed at Krauthammer.
<hans_kung> whos her?
<hans_kung> hehe
<Pickle> hans: Ninth Circuit leftwinger
<TimothyW> Writers Block has hurt me till I could deal with it. I couldn't write a damn thing!!! I had to throw chairs and other stuff. I couldn't defeat it. Anxiety can do the same thing. That was in 1996. It's like waking up and feeling like you came down from the clouds. I think this is what happen to Harriet Miers.
<TimothyW> could = couldn't
<Lithium-> bud``: i would probably be ok with that
<Lithium-> as long as its not just christian ****
<P_O> "You and me baby ain't nothing but mammals/So lets do it like they do it on the discovery channel"
<P_O> Gotta love mature lyrics.
<Null_Ptr> well
<Null_Ptr> consider what you're listening to
<Pickle> I gotta do no such thing
<P_O> Blood Hound Gang has pretty funny lyrics.
<strider_> i pity da fool :(
<hans_kung> wow she taught at Duke
<P_O> Duke was my dream school for a while.
<Null_Ptr> yeah they're more clever than some people think, but it's designed to have a basal appeal, not to stimulate your higher brain functions
<P_O> I don't know if any of my music challenges my brain.
<pilgrim`> Tim you write for a livin? I tried that, got two articles accepted then wrote some more for ezines and gave up
<hans_kung> too bad she's 64 years old :(
<pilgrim`> PO try some symphonic music
<pilgrim`> Scriaban's Poem of Fire will do
<TimothyW> pilgrim` : I get writers block. nothing can cure it.
<pilgrim`> Tim flight or fight will
<pilgrim`> a big hungry bear gonna eat you NOW!!! adrenal secretions start, you feel Yikes, then come down from it and...wanna write it up
<TimothyW> Till I do somethings and be repetitive and it slowely fades.
<pilgrim`> or that. Build a wall
<P_O> pilgrim`, I've listened to cl***ical and really complex jazz.
<P_O> It still doesn't exactly challenge me.
<TimothyW> not that type of repetitive.
<P_O> I don't expect mental challenge from music.
<hans_kung> music, in particular cl***ical, seems to stimulate logic functions and math .....
<pilgrim`> PO Gustav Holtz. try the time signatures in the Planets
<pilgrim`> then get really weird and check his one operatic piece ...hummm Diary of a mad schoalr iirc
<hans_kung> Holst :P
<P_O> Heh.
<pilgrim`> yeah that guy
<pilgrim`> I can hear it, can't spell it ;)
<hans_kung> He set some Hindu scriptures to music...neat stuff
<pilgrim`> yes
<pilgrim`> the Mahabharata
<pilgrim`> I can spell that ;)
<hans_kung> hehe
<P_O> hans_kung, Qntal is good ****.
<P_O> Qntal is a musical project where they set ancient songs to modern/techno music.
<P_O> I think it's from Denmark.
<hans_kung> YAY, play "The Seasonings"! :P
<pilgrim`> hey thats it.
<Timur> PO: you can play complex jazz?
<pilgrim`> PO PDQ Bach try some
<P_O> Timur, play as in on an instrument?
<pilgrim`> the toot suite
<Timur> right
<P_O> No.
<P_O> I can't play instruments for ****.
<Timur> or are you speaking of composition, or just listening, or.. ?
<P_O> Listening.
<pilgrim`> I can play almost anything that makes a noise
<P_O> I can immitate songs with my mouth.
<pilgrim`> not well, but p***ably
<Timur> pilg: cool
<P_O> I can form beats with my mouth
<P_O> but that's it.
<hans_kung> PDQ with his Grammies http://www.schickele.com/images/ICM/pdqgram.jpg
<Timur> haha
<P_O> My beats are decent though.
<Timur> I love most jazz, except the excessively and self-consciously dissonant
<P_O> Jazz is a great genre.
<hans_kung> in jazz
<hans_kung> wonderful sound
<hans_kung> very smokey
<P_O> Jazz is my biggest hole in terms of good genre to how many songs I have ratio.
<pilgrim`> Blues
<pilgrim`> I suffered so I can sing da blues
<P_O> Blues too actually.
<P_O> Although in terms of sheer number of songs
<Timur> I remember getting my 1st blues tape, best of muddy waters, when I was 14
<P_O> I think my biggest hole in my msuic collection is Folk
<P_O> I need to get some BB King.
<Timur> saw him play once, in PHilly
<Timur> was great
<Timur> but I thought he'd fill in more notes than he did.. I mean, he was like 80 at the time, but still
<P_O> Timur, what's going to make me sad, is when I conquer Jazz to the point that I've conquered rap now, and everyone I truely love will be dead.
<pilgrim`> http://tinyurl.com/88fsm <thats me playin some blues. Not well but there it is
<pilgrim`> Sachmo is dead, but I still love him ;)
<P_O> Well sure.
<P_O> I <3 Louis Armstrong
<P_O> and he's been dead for a few years.
<lgcbmb> be strong
<Timur> you mean conquer as owning?
<P_O> I mean conquer in terms of knowledge.
<pilgrim`> Sachmo and Dizzy. they knew that horn
<P_O> I know more about rap than almost everyone else I know.
<Timur> miles and coltrane
<pilgrim`> I met Dizzy once
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