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<CryArvach> JanetB..not so easy lol
<JanetB> but no... we paid millions
<OcDoc> Scooter and Martha sittin' inna cell ... K..I...S...S...I...N....G
<Pugsley> if he knew that outing her would be a problem he wouldn't have made such stupid mistakes
<Lupine> lithium: monitored by the IAEA and the UN who said he wasnot in "full and copmlete" compliance
<JanetB> CryArvach.. for the prosecutor it was
<namo_> pubsley, because he's trying to protect someone, that's what I've been trying to tell you
<sym`> I think it was/is a bit more "multicolored" then that
<Pugsley> well
<Katey> |Glitch|, I don't think the legal system is ridiculous. I think that the idea that Libby doesn't remember what he did with regard to this event is ridiculous.
<Pugsley> who's he trying to protect
<Pugsley> and why
<Lithium-> JanetB: CIA *asked* for the investigation, they initiated it!
<gopp> everybody hate chris is good show CanOfSpam
<Lupine> lithium: the neighbors knew she worked for the CIA.. i would say they didn't know she was "covert".. but FItzgerald hasn't presented ANY evidence she was a covert agent
<namo_> pugsley, well, he works for someone, right? you think he does things in a vacuum?
<Lithium-> Lupine: all the neighbors said they didnt know, look it p
<Lithium-> up
<JanetB> Lithium-.. yeah.. why would they ask for an investigation.. of a non covert op
<gopp> thier no evidence she was covert
<TomM--> I am sure that Sadaam had a B52 hidden somewhere in the desert with a nuke on it aimed for the US. Everybody knows that....geez even Colin Powell was waving around little vials of stuff....Iraq was a threat. Course Saudis attacked us on 9/11 and Bush likes to hold hands with then....I am not criticizing Bush....he had to beat up someone, why not Iraq....cant beat up his gay Saudi Prince!
<Lupine> Lithium: yes.. FUNNY that, eh? And where would someone in the adminsitration get her name as a covert agent? from the CIA...
<OcDoc> gopp: it can't be ...
<gopp> for all I can see she was a secerty or such low level work job at the cia
<Pugsley> namo: well. all will come out in the court proceedings I guess :)
<JanetB> makes you wonder.. why they were CYA
<Lithium-> JanetB: exactly, why would they? but they did
<namo_> pugsley, at work, do you decide to do damaging things that your boss doesn't know about?
<|Glitch|> Katey: Really? So you are saying that ONLY Democrats have flawed memories? That might explain why they can't win elections. :)
<CryArvach> Saddam's main WMD is TomM--
<Lupine> TomM: heh, he had some nice Mig31 FOxbats ;-)
<JanetB> Lithium-.. they were playing CYA
<Katey> |Glitch|, I don't recall having brought up Democrats actually
<gopp> Lupine thier no evidnce to prove she covert
<Pugsley> namo: no but I've seen a lot of people do just that
<TimothyW-> I rather see Martha Stewart in Jail with Libby then him and another man.
<CryArvach> Lupine..Saddam had those??
<Lithium-> JanetB: sure, blame CIA now
<gopp> Lithium- it fact
<gopp> Lithium- the cia dislike bush
<Lupine> Cry: You didn't see the pictures of them buried in the desert?
<JanetB> she was not covert, they knew she was not convert
<Lupine> Cry: those are HUGE planes actually.. and it took a while to find them.
<Kaliuna> Katey -- and how many times did past pres and his first lady claim "I don't remember - I don't recall" --
<OcDoc> Timothy: good god man ... why?
<CryArvach> Foxbat was current tech though...isn't it
<Katey> Will this become the talking point? CIA conspiracy against Bush?
<namo_> pugsley, it's possible, but usually people don't put their necks out like that to help a cause (ie: going to war with iraq) without first discussing it with a few people
<Lupine> Janet: Yep.. and of course, the person who knows who "outed her".. is refusing to tell the truth [ and getting away with it! ]
<Lupine> Cry: naw
<Katey> Kaliuna, it's one thing to admit you don't recall. It's another to make stuff up.
<|Glitch|> Katey: You implied it, or would you prefer to be a hypocrite for excusing then 200+ times Clinton couldn't remember?
<Pugsley> namo: well, it's too early to speculate on what happened
<JanetB> Fitageread " The fact that she was a CIA office was not well known." meaning IT was KNOWN
<Kaliuna> Katey - but they were lying
<Pugsley> namo: we don't know hardly anything
<Katey> |Glitch|, I didn't imply anything actually
<Katey> |Glitch|, you should re-read my remarks maybe
<weezyl> JanetB - by whom? :)
<Lupine> Katey: but what if "i don't recall" is made up?
<OcDoc> that's so lame ... "yours did worse"
<Timur> there was clearly much disaffection by the CIA against the Bush admin
<JanetB> by people
<namo_> pugsley, yeah, we'll see during the trial
<weezyl> Which people?
<TomM--> Kal...so? lets say Bill and Hillary said I dont recall five hundred times....does that give license to this administration to lie under oath? Is that your position?
<Katey> Lupine, well, that's always possible
<TimothyW-> OcDoc : Cause I don't want Libby dropping the soap and getting penetrated by a man. I would want him ***ed up by a woman.
<weezyl> That's actually kind of an important point. Some people are cleared to know and some are not.
<Lupine> TomM: if they DID recall, and they said they did NOT recall.. that is a lie as well
<OcDoc> a lot of stupid **** goes on in government all the time ... the only thing that keeps it in check is the "loyal opposition"
<JanetB> does not matter what people.. it was Known outside of the allegation.. that she was CIA...
<weezyl> I love the gyrations in here. This is awesome. :)
<Kaliuna> TomM -- did they lie under oath?
<OcDoc> on both sides
<weezyl> It really *does* matter what people. :)
<DarthBurg> if it were not for double standards, Democrats would not have any standards at all.
<Lupine> Weezyl: of course, the grand jury members may not have been cleared.. in which case, anyone questioned would be in a catch 22
<gopp> DarthBurg lol
<Kaliuna> problem is -- who leaked all the stuff read in newspapers about this grand jury and what was going on?
<OcDoc> Lupine: nice spin
<OcDoc> LUpine: then what you do is refuse to testify
<namo_> I have another quick question; Can't Saddam's lawyers now use this to dismiss his trial since they can argue that any evidence against him should be thrown out as it was illegally obtained by a government under investigation?
<OcDoc> not lie
<Lithium-> DarthBurg: is that why its the republicans why are being investigated/indicted?
<TomM--> Kal...Clinton did...thats established...is it your position that because he did....you excuse this administration? They have like a pardon...the Clinton did it pardon? :)
<rond> fall back weekend !!
<OcDoc> namo: no
<Lithium-> DarthBurg: is that why its the republicans are the ones being investigated/indicted?
<TomM--> lol
<Lupine> OcDoc: *shrug* Fitzgerald knows who "leaked" her name.. and he refuses to admit who it was in public.
<namo_> ocdoc, care to provide more information?
<Swigert> I'm ripping CDs on to my laptop
<Timur> hey guys, anyone know why Direction is banned?
<Lithium-> Lupine: will you cut that bull****?
<sym`> I guess CNN is doing this piece to see if they can jump on the bandwagon while the chips are down (somewhat) for the republicans
<Kaliuna> Tom -- and you do know that several he "pardoned" are now under investigation for further acts of a nature that hurts the USA?
<weezyl> *laugh*
<OcDoc> Lupine: how does that affect someone else lying?
<rond> timur proxy its been cleared twice tonight
<Lupine> lithium: eh? you admitted it yourself.
<Katey> |Glitch|, I didn't say **** about any political party
<DarthBurg> Republicans are being investigated for one reason, and one reason only. Democrats can not beat them at the ballot box, not Tom Delay, Not Frist, not Bush, who else is being investigated?
<Katey> |Glitch|, go put words in someone else's mouth
<Timur> rond: ah, gotcha.. thanks
<weezyl> Oh my god, you're probably serious.
<Lithium-> DarthBurg: so democrats made fitzgerald start the investigation?
<weezyl> *laugh*
<Robotsu> or the fact that someone made lying illega
<Lupine> OcDoc: I did not say it did. I'm trying to look at the "larger picture". it's all too pat. too wrapped up.
<TomM--> Kal...you digress....which is not unusual...has nothing to do with the topic at hand. :)
<Timur> weez: eh, some here have said they themselves that they shouldn't be taken seriously
<Lithium-> DarthBurg: democrats made the FEC start the investigation?
<namo_> darthburg, they can't beat them at the ballot box because they say the ballots are rigged, such as the no paper trail issue
<weezyl> It's not 'wrapped up'.
<Lupine> OcDoc: I hope in time, that larger picture will be investgated, and the truth be shown.
<Swigert> How I love America
<Kaliuna> TomM -- there is no crime until proven in a court of law...
<weezyl> Timur - I missed that part.
<DarthBurg> Lithium- no, that would be the CIA I believe, however, that has not stopped the well documented left leaning media from accusing everyone in the white house of leaking the name of someone who is not even covert.
<Swigert> I think the highest form of patriotism is to write the history of America
<OcDoc> Lupine: the government is full of "fixers" ... they don't always get their stories straight before it hits the fan
<TomM--> Kal...true...cant argue with that....
<Kaliuna> TomM -- last night ahem -- you were making some pretty big claims that didn't happen --
<namo_> kaliuna, if Libby is convicted, what will you say then?
<weezyl> Howard Zinn's a hell of a patriot, then. :)
<Kaliuna> namo -- one thing at a time
<Robotsu> DarthBurg: what's youre point? Does it make it any less illegal?
<sym`> TomM-- was hoping for a Bush indictment ...
<sym`> Hehe
<Swigert> weezy1: the Constitution gives people the right to disagree
<TomM--> Kal...what claims were those...it seems to me I said there would be indictments....
<DarthBurg> to date, no law has been broken. of course, you would not know that by listening to the media.
<Swigert> weezy1: in the USSR if you spoke against the gov't you were imprisoned. Same in China and other places today
<weezyl> Swigert - are you doing history now? I know you were into it.
<OcDoc> Kaliuna: that's not quite true ... a crime can be committed but you can't be held guilty until you're found guilty in a court
<Lithium-> DarthBurg: purjury isnt illegal?
<Swigert> weezy1: graduate student now
<Lithium-> DarthBurg: obstruction of justice isnt illegal?
<TomM--> there were indictments....great claim....
<weezyl> Swigert - I promise you don't need to tell *me* about Chinese history. :)
<Kaliuna> Doc -- well he hasn't been...
<Robotsu> I'm pretty sure Fitzgerald made it entirely clear that Libby has the presumption of innocence and made it clear that his investigation is politically benigne
<weezyl> Swigert - excellent! Congratulations!
<Swigert> weezy1: why's that?
<sym`> DarthBurg: Oh of course not. CNN is already launching their little "Bash CIA/intel" pieces like the one on right now
<Swigert> weezy1: thanks dude - I love this.
<OcDoc> Kaliuna: for example, a bank can be robbed ... a crime has been committed ... no doubt a crime has been committed
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