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<Abydos313> irony==arab jew
<ajofi> ok time to have a slightly more productive day....bye!
<RustyFord> ajofi get it now?
<TomM--> DS did you see his press conference?
<ajofi> i get it
<ajofi> bye
<DStewart> Tom, no, I heard it.
<RustyFord> hahah
<Abydos313> his press conference should have been 10 min. the rest was basically same questions from press over and over again
<TimothyW> Don't give him a bat.
<TomM--> DS you sure? Cuz if you did you heard his comments about the Wilsons, and how the disclosure was a national security issue. Did we hear differently?
<TimothyW> TEHRAN -- Tehran's substitute Friday Prayers leader, Expediency Council Chairman Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, said here yesterday that the Palestine-Israel dispute is one of the most important regional and international issues.
<DStewart> Tom, you didn't hear anything about the Wilson's accusations and you and your fellow leftists' smears.
<JanetB> ok... my apple pie is in the oven :)
<DStewart> Tom, he didn't say anything at all about the administration attempting to smear, intimidate, take revenge upon, damage, or harm the Wilsons, either of them.
<DStewart> Tom, with good reason: None of that has ever made any sense.
<DStewart> Also: Watch for Libby's exoneration, coming to a courtroom near the capital.
<[vlad]> DStewart: did you hear your fellow rightists are trying to make torture legal for the CIA
<JanetB> I want to know.. why the prosecutor, said plame was not covert... she was "clasified" maybe.. yet there are indictments.. for a non covert agent
<JanetB> hmm
<DStewart> viad, making **** up just isn't good form, moron.
<DStewart> ?We?re not saying that Libby knowingly outted a covert agent.?
<DStewart> Odd.
<v33t-> what does it means?
<v33t-> Moscow is ready to hand over Tehran to the UN Security Council
<v33t-> my english's ****ed up
<rond> Man I am pretty tired of this plame stuff, it more and more seems to me to be much ado about nothing
<TimothyW> v33t : meaning **** is hitting the fan.
<[vlad]> DStewart: http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1600634,00.html
<DStewart> Timothy, question: Is this Rafsanjani an Iranian gov't official?
<v33t-> ??
<pilgrim`> I am always lousy at this creating an html page and posting it jaz. can some one check and see if a document pops up for them or if it is just on my sys? its kinda geek and you don't need to read it, I am just curious if it shows: http://homepage.mac.com/pilgrimer/.Public/NFH/Cl***icTale.html
<v33t-> hitting the fan
<v33t-> ?
<TimothyW> DStewart : yes
<[vlad]> now who's the moron
<v33t-> what does it means
<JanetB> and wasn't it vanity fair, that had plame on the cover, with wilson.. who was telling his story.. and naming his wife a month before the story broke
<TimothyW> DStewart : He is the Number 2. To Ayatollah Khamenei
<TomM--> DS...I gave you the definition of smear...I will repost it for you...Webster...to spread cover or stain, to smudge or soil, to slander, vilify, blot, villification, slander, suggest evil or corruption....now that we have the definition.....I stand on the proposal that Libbys goal was to smear. :)
<DStewart> viad, sorry: Not only doesn't that support YOUR claim, but the story's own, weaker, claim is also bull****.
<[vlad]> of course
<v33t-> i'm israeli
<[vlad]> how silly of me not to realize
<DStewart> TomM, you're obviously wrong.
<v33t-> i don't understand those kind of collocations
<pilgrim`> its all silly
<DStewart> viad, it has nothing to do with "realizing." You are simply lying.
<TomM--> DS obviously? LOL.....
<[vlad]> DStewart: lol have a nice day
<DStewart> You know what you're saying is false.
<DStewart> TomM, yes, obviously.
<DStewart> Tom, so where's the attempt to stain? Smudge? Oil?
<DStewart> Tom, where's the attempt to slander?
<DStewart> Tom, how about vilification? What was the vilification?
<TomM--> DS moving on.....last night you said....There will be NO indictments tomorrow...:)
<DStewart> Tom, what was the suggestion of evil?
<DStewart> Tom, how about corruption? Where was the accusation of corruption?
<hans_kung> Yah, but theres five counts against a high offical in the White House :)
<DStewart> Tom, have you read the indictment? Libby answered questions. He didn't initiate anything.
<hans_kung> go ask Fitzy.
<pilgrim`> to err is human to inidct devine?
<rond> wonder why direction is banned ?
<pilgrim`> Bush alread siad he didn't have *** with that plame
<DStewart> Tom, you're not answering the questions about where you can find any attempt to stain, vilify, slander, or suggest evil, because there was none.
<TimothyW> MOSCOW (Interfax) -- Indian Foreign Minister Natwar Singh said Delhi is against referring Iran's nuclear dossier to the United Nations Security Council.
<TimothyW> India wants the issue of Iran's nuclear program addressed within the framework of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Singh said at the MGIMO on Thursday.
<DStewart> Tom, what did Libby say about Wilson?
<DStewart> Tom, got any idea?
<pilgrim`> its all smore and mirrors
<DStewart> It's in the indictment.
<pilgrim`> smoke too
<TomM--> DS...I have read the indictment. He answered the questions alright. He is charged with perjury and obstruction of justice. Obviously the GJ and Mr Fitzgerald feel his answers were untrue. No?
<maw^> notice nothing about valerie phlame.......she wasn't "covert" so don't know what the big deal is
<DStewart> He confirmed that she played a role in sending him to Niger---and that she worked for the CIA>
<DStewart> Tom, anything else?
<DStewart> Tom, you didn't read the indictment.
<TomM--> DS I didnt....I have a copy in front of me...what would you like me to quote?
<Hangfire> TomM-- it's all a CIA/DOJ/STATE conspiracy against the white house cos they all hate bush
<Hangfire> didn't you get the memo?
<DStewart> TomM, here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/28/AR2005102801086_pf.html
<DStewart> Now you can read it.
<DeDannan> Hangfire, thats it!
<TomM--> been there done that! :))
<DeDannan> you nailed it again, my man!
<Hangfire> DeDannan ;)
<West`> http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/documents/libby_indictment_28102005.pdf
<rond> Any ops awake, Comet, Cry, Tailor ?
<Timur> ok, bbiab
<DStewart> Tom, then you know there's no evidence in the indictment, nor in addition in anything outside the indictment, of vilification, slander, suggestion of evil or corruption.
<rond> Freetrade ?
<scotfree> an indictment is just the result of a one sided argument by the prosecution. there is no due process involved.
<TomM--> DS...its gone beyond Wilson. Demonizing Wilson wont help Libby....Hes toast and you know it! I cant believe he could have been that incredibly stupid. That part I do not understand.
<DStewart> Tom, Libby didn't demonize Wilson.
<DStewart> TomM, what don't you understand? How he could have been how stupid?
<DStewart> What is it that he did that you can't believe?
<TomM--> DS Im saying you are...The indictment has nothing to with Wilson and you know it. It has to do with perjury and obstruction. Spinning it otherwise is dishonest at best.
<Hangfire> TomM-- note the irony in my earlier statement nothing you can say will change their minds
<Hangfire> this is not a channel for debate... (no matter what the auto onjoin message says) this is a channel for ranting and screaming at people!
<TomM--> DS...to give false testimony to feds and the grand jury. IF the charges are true and proven.
<hans_kung> Hangfire, well the webpage also says this, and "debate in a friendly manner" :P
<hans_kung> haha
<TomM--> Hangfire I dont need any help....Im barely hanging on! If you get my drift! :)
<Hangfire> hans_kung :rolleyes:
<DStewart> TomM, on what basis would you decide, or ***ume, that journalists' memories are better than Libby's?
<Hangfire> ;)
<DStewart> Let's see: The indictment says that: 23. On or about July 12, 2003, in the afternoon, LIBBY spoke by telephone to Cooper, who asked whether LIBBY had heard that Wilson's wife was involved in sending Wilson on the trip to Niger. LIBBY confirmed to Cooper, without elaboration or qualification, that he had heard this information too.
<DStewart> Libby confirmed to Cooper, without elaboration, that he had heard that Wilson's wife was involved in sending Wilson on the trip.
<West`> becuase its several people with notes
<DStewart> Where's the smear in that, Tom?
<West`> why do you take libby as a saint that can do no wrong?
<West`> thats the real question.
<DStewart> It is true---so if it's pejorative, it's not a smear, but a negative about the fact.
<rond> Pickle you awake ?
<DStewart> West, "several people with notes"? Cooper has already shown how vague notes can be, in his own articles.
<gopp> West` why did you take clinton as a saint
<gopp> that could do no wrong (e.g. Lie)
<Pickle> rond: Yes.
<DStewart> West, and it wasn't several people with notes about the same events.
<TomM--> DS No basis...I respect this prosecuter...and I think you should too. He thinks he has a case. You are hilarious, again...its not about Wilson as much as you want to make it...its about perjury and obstruction. Remember when we wailed that the Clinton deal was about a blow job? What was your response then?
<rond> hey pickle can you unban direction
<Pickle> rond: Why was he banned?
<West`> gopp once again you dont know anything about me or what i thought/think about clinton.
<rond> no idea he says proxy ban
<gopp> West`` sure but I can ***ume
<DStewart> Tom, take it as a given that I respect him. He still provides no support for your statement that Libby outed Plame, or that it was a smear, or that it was for revenge.
<gopp> West` so bush going to iraq did he lie then
<[vlad]> I find it interesting that the Republicans will be the first to presume innocence for Libby. However, when someone who looks arab makes a negative comment about them, they are picked up and put in prison without any charges and stayed until who knows when. I think Bush and his ***ociates need to be charged for crimes against humanity.
<rond> [16:59] Direction is dir@user-0cej7lb.cable.mindspring.com dir
<rond> [16:59] Direction on #Budweiser
<rond> [16:59] Direction using irc.inter.net.il Internet Gold IRC Server
<rond> [16:59] Direction is connecting from host
<rond> [16:59] Direction End of /WHOIS list.
<rond> there is his info
<DStewart> TomM, in fact, if you had actually read the indictment, or even paid attention to the press conference, you'd see that that is not supported by any fact at all.
<gopp> DStewart it hersay
<Pickle> That doesn't look like a proxy ban.
<DStewart> vlad, that too is a lie.
<rond> no idea then
<scotfree> the isssue has nothing to do with smearing someone. Its did libby lie under oath. the grand jury thought there was enough evidence that he did to indict. at this point he is presumed innocent.
<DStewart> " However, when someone who looks arab makes a negative comment about them, they are picked up and put in prison without any charges and stayed until who knows when." vlad, can you give even a single instance of this?
<Pickle> Oh, wait a second, yes it is.
<Pickle> I'll fix it.
<rond> k
<rond> cool
<[vlad]> DStewart: there are several of them *still* awaiting trial in guantanamo
<tweek> DStewart: heh, to his credit, if this were to happen, you likely wouldn't know :)
<DStewart> vlad, no, there aren't.
<TheTailor> [vlad], you dolt, the system itself presumes innocence for Libby, not "Republicans".
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