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<TheTailor> [vlad], you dolt, the system itself presumes innocence for Libby, not "Republicans".
<RustyFord> wahhhh wahhh
<[vlad]> later lightweights
<RustyFord> terrorists awaiting trial
<RustyFord> ohh no!
<TomM--> DS....ok...its no use. I have my opinion, you have yours. Fitzgerald did say in his press conference that the exposure of a CIA operative was a serious matter; he went on to explain how hard a case that is to make when people perjure and obstruct the investigation. ergo the indictment of today...
<DStewart> TomM, but you wanted to make it about Wilson---that's ALL you've ever wanted to make it about.
<DStewart> Now, if it's about perjury and obstruction, fine. THOSE are different issues.
<DStewart> The Clinton deal was not about a blow job.
<JanetB> the prosecutor also went on to say.. plame was not covert..
<DStewart> It was about subornation of perjury, obstruction of justice, and perjury.
<rond> thanks I let him know
<lgcbmb> hah, next time dont lie under oath
<TomM--> DS exactly...thankyou......:)
<lgcbmb> or cover up your lies better
<DStewart> Tom, Fitzgerald also said in the press conference that he wasn't saying that Libby outed a CIA agent.
<RustyFord> hehhe Cast Aways is a good movie
<RustyFord> er Cast Away
<scotfree> if you are ever questioned by the fbi. tell the truth.
<JanetB> if you are ever questioned claim the 5th peroid
<JanetB> even for your address
<RustyFord> I'm Forest Gump, the Famous Forest Gump!
<rond> there you go dir
<RustyFord> Janet EXACTLY!
<RustyFord> no matter what
<Null_Ptr> HOUSTON (AP) - As many as 1,000 Exxon Mobil employees and 14 residents of a senior citizens home were injected with fake flu vaccine, authorities said Friday, and the owner of a home health care company was arrested.
<West`> with the CIA was not common knowledge outside the intelligence community.
<JanetB> that does NOT make her covert haha
<RustyFord> "I am in fear that my testification will incriminacation mysleflication"
<scotfree> you can refuse to answer questions. thats fine. but dont lie.
<West`> JanetB you are correct, she was not 'covert' but cl***ified.
<West`> Valerie Wilson was employed by the
<West`> CIA, and her employment status was cl***ified.
<JanetB> maybe cl***ified...
<West`> not maybe.
<RustyFord> I bet Valerie Plame got felt up by Bill CLinton
<West`> well then you say the indictment is a fabrication.
<TomM--> DS I know how you feel..I was in the same position in 2000, defending liars is hard. You will like me apologize when you see the light or when Libby pleads or is led off to jail, whichever comes first. :)
<RustyFord> she seems like the type that would
<West`> page 3, paragraph f, 2nd sentence.
<JanetB> the investigation was on was she outted... it is clear she was not.. there should never have been an investigation in the first place, cause the accusation was false to begin with
<DStewart> Tom, stop talking about how you, I or anyone else feels. All that is is you dodging the facts.
<JanetB> she was not covert... and as YOU said... her identification was not widely KNOWN.. but it was KNOWN
<rond> that is what I think Janet I agree
<rond> its all a waiste of time and Taxpayor money
<West`> ok since 'outted' is the legal keyword. How about he gave the reporters her name and where she worked. (very similar to outting, just not in a legal term)
<hans_kung> JanetB, love to see you debate that with Fitzy.
<hans_kung> Cuz, he'd run circles around your logic.
<lgcbmb> Fitzy, cute
<JanetB> hans_kung.. well since he did not indicite.. on the issue.. whats to argue?
<West`> I was quoting the indictment, so if you want to argue with the prosecutor thats ok.
<TomM--> DS..fact..he is charged with perjury, false statements, and obstruction of justice...five counts. The are outlined in the indictment. Fact...he will either go to trial, which I doubt, or plead. I will wager he pleads. Thats all in the future so we will see.
<JanetB> the indictment does not say he outted an agent
<lgcbmb> if they did nothing wrong why lie? force of habit maybe? ;)
<hans_kung> You seem to be making the claim there was no law violation, so if there wasn't a inquiry, there wouldn't be any current charges.
<xidaux> How come no political party in the USA is dedicated to exterminating prognathous dolicephalic anthropometric dimorphic ape like negros ?
<xidaux> Who do I vote for to exterminate subhumans ?
<xidaux> Why is exterminating subhumans illegal in America ?
<DStewart> Tom, no, he'll go to trial and most likely be exonerated.
<JanetB> hans_kung.. she was not covert.. what what the purpose of the investigation
<DStewart> Tom, how repetitive were the five charges?
<rond> thanks pickle
<hans_kung> I think the charge stem from the investigation about all that Janet.
<JanetB> hans.. what was the puropse of the investigation?
<hans_kung> It's was a rule the CIA had in place anyhow.
<TomM--> DS you honestly think so. The spectre of the VP and other WH officials being called as witnesses. You really believe that? I dont think you do. Your more politically astute than that.
<West`> just remember you guys defending libby sound as ridiculous as the liberals saying it was ok for clinton to lie, because it was only ***.
<hans_kung> To inquire about allegations made.
<JanetB> what were the alligation?
<DStewart> West, you were quoting the indictment? The indictment at no point says that he gave any reporter her name.
<TomM--> West..I was one that did that, and I agree with you.
<hans_kung> JanetB: you read the indictments and the story. I saw Fitzy's news conference, he made shortwork of all the excuses I've seen cited in this channel about his inquiry.
<JanetB> again what were the allegations?
<hans_kung> read the indictments.
<West`> DStewart you are looking at the wrong point, of course that line is not from the indictment.
<JanetB> again what were the allegations???
<JanetB> you can not admit what they were?
<rond> hans kunk sounds like he has convicted everyone already
<hans_kung> read the indictments Janet.
<hans_kung> No, I know them.
<DStewart> West, has anyone here said that perjury, obstruction or false statements would be okay for any reason?
<JanetB> hans_kung.. the indictment does not address the allegations
<JanetB> now what were the allegations
<TomM--> JanetB go to the site and read the indictment. It only takes a few minutes.
<hans_kung> Janet, bust your you pen and write him.
<hans_kung> I'm sure he's worried about what you think.
<JanetB> lets skirt around the REAL issue
<lgcbmb> Full Text: U.S. v. Libby Indictment http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/28/AR2005102801086_pf.html
<DStewart> West, okay: It wasn't that statement. Let's just take it as your statement: At no point does it say he gave anyone her name.
<hans_kung> Five counts. Leading White House offical. 10 years according to sentencing guidelines for all charges.
<flatcher> taxation is immoral!!!
<DStewart> The indictment. So your statement is unsupported.
<lgcbmb> In violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1503.
<flatcher> and libby wasnt the original leaker, so either cheney or rove must be!!!
<DStewart> Scrolling up, no one has said that perjury, obstruction, or false statements are okay, not at all without context or in any context of for any reason.
<West`> and are we going to have the legal "well it wasnt her exact name'
<DStewart> West, that's right. See any name there?
<West`> ahaha, Clinton "Define an empty room?"
<lgcbmb> On or about June 11, 2003, LIBBY was informed by a senior CIA officer that Wilson's wife was employed by the CIA
<hans_kung> And Janet, you're factually wrong about the indictment and the allegations.
<West`> how many wives did he have?
<TomM--> flatch thats what I got out of it, so why would Libby lie? It doesnt make sense. He has to be protecting someone. Libby is no moron. I dont get it.
<hans_kung> You prolly haven't read it.
<DStewart> West, hmmm. Do you think there was a reason for her keeping two names?
<TomM--> DS "See any name there"? LOL....you are beautiful......LOL
<BoogyMan> Libby is staring down the face of 30 years in prison, he isn't protecting ANYONE
<JanetB> the allegation was rove outted a covert agent.. how hard is it to pick up a phone and say.. was plame covert.. CIA no.. end of investigation
<hans_kung> well golly gee, Janet, why don't you go to DC!
<hans_kung> you are such the whiz!
<JanetB> and if you will not admit to that.. no point in the topic
<JanetB> it is hard?
<TomM--> BoogyMan and thats what I think Fitzgerald is up to. Any plea deal will include him testifying fully and honestly about this case...its called putting the squeeze on.
<DStewart> Boogyman, 25 years, but who's counting. And who would take that seriously?
<West`> unflinching supporters, just like most of you 'hate' from the liberal side.
<hans_kung> Again, you go call up the office and ask him that. Lets see his legal credentials, and then lets see yours.
<flatcher> TomM--, the fact that the investigation will ongoing means that libby wasnt the leaker, otherwise they could have stopped here (with or without the indictment)
<JanetB> hans_kung.. you mean common sense is hard?
<flatcher> will be*
<TomM--> DS if I ever get into trouble, I want you to defend me!!!! :)
<West`> the most dangerous of people imo. There are wrongs, both parties commit them.
<DStewart> flatcher, actually Fitzgerald said the grand jury's going awy, didn't he?
<hans_kung> JanetB, you have any?
<DStewart> And didn't he also say the investigation as a whole was nearly finished?
<West`> This grand jury is going away, We will see about another
<JanetB> Fitzhgerald said he is going back to chicago
<West`> he was very non comittal about it.
<JanetB> hans_kung.. oh now you want to insult, instead of addressing the real issue
<TomM--> hans_kung we been good about not insulting through this...be nice! :)
<BoogyMan> Flatcher -
<BoogyMan> Flatcher - Your crystal ball must be pretty clear
<TomM--> although DS has question my intelligence once or twice...:)
<DStewart> TomM, uh, not without complete and obvious justification!
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