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<Timur> that's nice. :)
<philomath> =X
<rond> Comet I don't think there are as many accountants involeved in management in corps as you are trying to sell
<philomath> i haven't ever seen comet say "****"
<CometBaby> Timur .. I would stick my neck out and say that most females would certainly see more benefit from a degree in accounting, then they ever would from a degree in "womens studies" "education" or even the catchall "political science". That has been my experience.
<rond> its a niche job that is neccessary but it can be farmed out and is often done so
<Espectro> and how
<Timur> CB: on the broad level, perhaps, but on an individual level, it depends largely on what that person's goal is
<Espectro> unless they go on to juris doktor or something
<syzygy2> b/c by answering my question you'd contradict yourself, thus prooving my claim that more educated people (even though they may be less intelligent) are generally more successful in terms of wealth than less educated people... :-D
<syzygy2> lol
<Timur> http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos012.htm
<eurolite> blah
<eurolite> damnit
<eurolite> staff meeting
<eurolite> Owell, missed my staff meeting
<eurolite> time to find a new job
<Timur> euro: staff mtg on a Saturday?
<eurolite> yep
<eurolite> thats why i missed it
<Timur> feh, what kinda job
<eurolite> network administrator for a gov tax building
<eurolite> only the leading memebers from each team were required to attend
<CometBaby> rond .. controllers, CFO's and even CEO's are coming from the accounting backgrounds
<eurolite> i doubt theyl fire me over it cuz theyl never find anyone to replace me in my city
<BoogyMan> Network Admin, yes!
<Timur> Some top executives in the public sector have a background in public administration or liberal arts. Others might have a background related to their jobs. For example, a health commissioner might have a graduate degree in health services administration or business administration.
<Timur> CB: depends
<Timur> according to the BLS, it's pretty varied.
<CometBaby> Timur well obviously a degree in accounting isn't gonna be of a lot of use for someone who wants to be an RN.
<eurolite> lol, the gov isint very smart
<CometBaby> but neither will a degree in "womens studies" .. lol
<Timur> or a hospital CEO, necessarily
<Timur> wb
<CometBaby> which would not be very impressive to most anyone
<rond> ha ha
<Timur> Women's Studies might relate to a job involved in an organizaiton whose mission is to, say, help women
<Timur> or market to them
<rond> I was alone on that split
<eurolite> where I work they make all there employes sign a non-disclosure except me and I have more access over any information then any single person there
<rond> boy was I hammering the ops while away
<eurolite> +agreement
<CometBaby> Timur .. which REALLY limits you doesn't it?
<Timur> Comet: well, some people don't mind being so limited, if it's what they are particularly interested in
<CometBaby> and most jobs that require someone who helps women, would be requiring some sort of Social Worker degree wouldn't they?
<Espectro> well womens studies or something might actually have good job ops
<eurolite> only women can help women
<Espectro> but you have to be the type
<eurolite> no man understands a womans mind
<Timur> depends on the nature of the job. Some jobs promote, say, education or parenting skills among women
<Timur> so sure, either/or.. there'd be an overlap.
<CometBaby> Timur .. I sure hope that is the extent of their goal forever, because a degree in *womens studies* you are stuck with. And you have to admit it is pretty meaningless.
<Timur> it's meaningless outside a job dedicated purely to women, sure
<rond> the best gaurantee of financial success is by starting and owning your own business
<Timur> but there are such jobs and companies
<eurolite> lol they actually have degree's for womens studies?
<CometBaby> Timur and limited even within that scope
<Espectro> the type that makes me cross the street
<rond> and that does not neccessarily have anything at all to do with a degre
<Timur> CB: well, as an accountant, one probably wouldn't be employed in marketing, or even necessarily administration
<Timur> totally different skillsets
<Timur> and knowledge bases
<CometBaby> Timur .. lol. You're wrong there.
<rond> Actually he is not
<Timur> no country would survive on a base of only accountants
<rond> most business owners just put up with accountants
<Timur> not in my observation, or according to the BLS, I'm not
<eurolite> Google May Take on eBay
<eurolite> good
<rond> same with general council
<Espectro> accountants are usually well trained in weapons
<eurolite> about time somebody ****s with egay
<Espectro> they could operate an mrls
<CometBaby> I was an accountant fresh out of college when I got my first accounting job. I worked there 3 months and they started a new company .. very speculative. Telecommunications. I decided to make a lateral move over to the new company .. took a risk. They were desperate to recruit accountants.
<Timur> ok, that's your individual experience with one company at one point in time
<CometBaby> Within 3 years I had run the scope of everything a person might wish to see/do in a lifetime.
<BoogyMan> Accounting can be a very lucrative field, if only it werent so bloody boring.
<Timur> companies also need lawyers, who are also not accountants
<Jokester> I have a quick question why was Libby indicted after that guy admitted he lied?
<rond> come on Comet there is more to running a biz than you can learn in 3 years
<Timur> they also need marketing professionals, who again are not accountants
<CometBaby> Yeah the *liar* is out there walking around.
<inert> their roots are connected
<rond> to say you learned everything is 3 years before 30 just does not add up
<Espectro> she's not just anybody
<CometBaby> Timur .. I am not saying it is a cure all for everything. But I would always recommend it to people. If they want a job fresh out of college, they won't have any trouble finding one. And the future is bright for them. Every single person I went to school with who got accounting degrees has been very successful in the real world.
<Timur> CB: that's fine, but I was taking what you said literally, which I guess I shouldn't. :)
<Timur> the world's a lot bigger, businesses are a lot bigger, than just accountancy, is my point.
<CometBaby> Timur not everyone wants to be successful in the real world. They want safe jobs.
<Espectro> electro engineering is a degree which one would never have a prob finding a job
<rond> Accounting will get you a safe job I grant that
<Timur> well, I suppose there's an issue with how success is defined
<CometBaby> rond .. lol. Guess again.
<Timur> for me, it's a job that both pays the bills that I enjoy
<rond> but very few accountants make it to the top...too anal
<CometBaby> Accountants generally change jobs every 3 years or less.
<Espectro> accounting isn't 'easy'
<Timur> too nomadic for me
<CometBaby> when you work out in the real world
<Espectro> but electri is kina hard
<CometBaby> rond .. what are you basing that on?
<BoogyMan> Espectro - Its not that much more difficult that say.....Computer Science
<rond> 25 years of expercience
<CometBaby> I find that many of them make it to the top.
<CometBaby> at least that has been my experience.
<CometBaby> I did it in 3 years.
<rond> I can't think of a single company that is run by an accountant
<Timur> did what, exactly
<rond> that i have worked with
<Timur> you're a CEO/CFO?
<Espectro> electro is more difficult imo
<CometBaby> Timur make it to high level management.
<Timur> CB: you're presently a high-level manager/
<Timur> ?
<rond> and I can think of a lot of conversations I have had with business owners about there accountants
<Espectro> cs if you are into computers somewhat there's some feedback
<CometBaby> no not CEO or CFO. My title officially was VP Controller
<Timur> the real world isn't just business; the real world also involves the public sector as well
<CometBaby> but we didn't really go much by titles in that place .. we grew too fast.
<Timur> so why did you quit?
<Espectro> dc circuit design and stuff
<Timur> sounds like it was an exciting dynamic place
<BoogyMan> CometBaby - I have been with several companies whose chief execs come from an accounting background
<eurolite> theres no such thing as the real world
<Espectro> guess there's an eventual payoff
<eurolite> It's all an illusion molded in different aspects
<CometBaby> We were extremely sucessful. We bought UUNET and MCI. The we were bought out .. by Bernie Ebbers of world com. That is when world com became WorldCom MCI
<Timur> ah, yes
<Timur> and their famous accountancy procedures
<Timur> ;)
<CometBaby> I didn't stay with WorldCom .. I didn't like them or their policies.
<eurolite> CometBaby why does UUNET sound familour
<Timur> euro: newsgroups?
<eurolite> ahh
<CometBaby> At that time our stock was at it's peak .. so I rolled it over and left the company.
<MrRod> CometBaby: WorldCom did bad, bad things.
<Timur> CB: so you didn't think you could change it for the better by staying and changing from the inside/
<CometBaby> UUNET is the largest (probably) main internet provider in the US.
<CometBaby> major backbone of backbones
<eurolite> non-exsistant in canada
<eurolite> at least not to my knowledge
<BoogyMan> I wouldn't call it a "backbone of backbones", they arent a Tier 1 peering provider are they?
<roja> eurolite : where are you from?
<Timur> so, you're not really using your accountancy expertise/degree now? or are you.. /
<eurolite> ontario
<CometBaby> I had lunch with Bernie Ebbers one time at the World Com hq in Jackson
<Timur> ok..
<CometBaby> I was with a bunch of others .. it wasn't the two of us :)
<CometBaby> he was repulsive
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