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<TimothyW> I'm trying to get you blah blah shhhhhhhhh
<TimothyW> The Dildonic Torpedos Away Captain James T. Kirk.
<MrSulu> hahahahahaha
<MrSulu> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6573786622&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
<Abydos313> capt. the klingon torpedos are penetrating the rear aft
<TimothyW> I said Dildonic not Klingon
<MrSulu> The Dildonics are the mortal enemies of the Klingons
<MrSulu> however, sometimes they negotiate thru the KYgons
<US-Male> I thought they were a 50's band
<US-Male> haha
<US-Male> have you heard Howard Stern's audio of Mr Sulu from a few years ago ?
<US-Male> there was no doubt he was gay after hearing that
<US-Male> "ohh myyy"
<MrSulu> You know what the saddest thing is? He's had a gay-lover for 18 years.. and his career is *so dead*.. none of the paparazi's caught him.
<DStewart> SHouldn't that have been a one-day story?
<DStewart> Maybe a one-minute story, in fact?
<US-Male> yeah except it's now funny cause of Sterns prior audio
<DStewart> Time to introduce a new acronym, I think.
<DStewart> WGAFF
<US-Male> if that hadn't happened it would be a snoozefest
<TimothyW> WGAFF ?
<occ_> someone was saying that it was an "open secret" that he was gay
<US-Male> Stern never said he was gay in any way, but they kept playing audio clips that made it obvious
<US-Male> which were also funny as hell
<US-Male> well wgaf was "who gives a ****:
<US-Male> so wgaff must be "flying ****"
<TimothyW> oh
<occ_> lupine, as a gay man, how do you feel about this? ;)
<DStewart> Yep
<TimothyW> Sometimes you must have to Kling-on
<TimothyW> j/k
<Lupine> occ: that is an issue that I'll probe very deeply in you, so that I can figure it out in the end
<US-Male> haha
<Billy^> Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow
<occ_> something something "captain's log"
<occ_> heh
<Lupine> US: i'ld donkey punch occ, but I know you like him kicking when its yer turn
<occ_> aww, keep me outta it, ya deve
<US-Male> lol
<Lupine> US-male was all excited when he heard that "Brek is back"
<US-Male> who ?
<US-Male> you guys should hear the "Sulu Dance"
<US-Male> http://bahahs.blogspot.com/2004/10/howard-stern-show-notables-due-to.html
<OcDoc> is michelle malkin a columnist?
<TimothyW> yes and a blogger also.
<OcDoc> if he died to help the people of Iraq live like we do and not have to suffer under tyrants then I hope it works
<OcDoc> but it's always been my impression that the people have to WANT the goal enough to risk their lives in order to make it work
<OcDoc> sometimes it helps if they are jump started and given some hope of success, but ultimately it can't work if they don't want it badly enough to risk their lives
<OcDoc> America has always had more freedom than we do now since the constitution was first written
<OcDoc> but Iraq never has
<OcDoc> you can't just hand institutions to people ... it takes time for them to learn the operators manual
<Timur> that's right
<OcDoc> if freeom and Islam don't go together it won't work
<Timur> they can, but it's a process, and lengthy in many ways
<OcDoc> I seem to have a few neighbors who are muslims in a more or less free country now
<Timur> but worthwhile, nonetheless
<OcDoc> it seems to work for them and for their neighbors mostly
<OcDoc> people who are only exposed to religious "justice" may not appreciate a different kind and may wonder what the point is?
<Timur> huh?
<OcDoc> for example, the pennsylvania dutch ... some don't like it and are shunned and finally leave
<Timur> ah, right
<OcDoc> can't remember what they call their religion
<Timur> Mennonite / Amish
<OcDoc> yes, thanks
<OcDoc> what do you do if you don't like islam and can't leave? you knuckle under
<OcDoc> even america under king george's rule had a long tradition of relative freedom, and only one third or so were in favor of risking their lives to separate from Englan
<RustyFord> menenite er however its spelled
<Timur> I just said, Mennonite
<OcDoc> the russians haven't had free institutions but eastern europeans did
<OcDoc> so it takes them much longer to build them, but when they finally succeed it will hold
<OcDoc> just like ours held for over 200 years before collapsing
<Timur> true, but also Russia is a lot larger
<Timur> ours have collapsed?
<OcDoc> Timur: mostly a hollow shell
<Timur> help! I'm being repressed
<Timur> hardly
<Timur> travel some
<OcDoc> most people in america don't insist on their rights
<MrSulu> OcDoc: indeed.
<tnzr> is gmail down?
<Timur> that doesn't mean those rights have collapsed
<OcDoc> Sulu: yech
<Timur> one has to pick and choose, there's only so much time in the day
<OcDoc> Timur: who would dare stand against the government now and stick his neck out?
<Timur> depends
<OcDoc> Sulu: I doubt it
<Timur> in what way
<OcDoc> Timur: in any way
<OcDoc> it wasn't always that way
<Timur> uh
<OcDoc> go along to get along is the motto now
<Timur> well, I suppose it depends on the merit of the case, doesn't it?
<TimothyW> MrSolo needs some dildon torpedos in the main starboard port array.
<OcDoc> Timur: like I said, it wasn't always that way ... merit of the case was "it's my right and I'm not letting the government get away with it"
<Lupine> often times, it is the radical nutcases the ensure no progress is made.
<Timur> Oc:anyone can bring a case
<Timur> Lup: Exactly
<Timur> top 3 google hits for lawsuit against government
<Timur> CNN - New Waco probe could delay lawsuit against government
<OcDoc> Lupine: the radical nutcases know that they're not really threatening the power of the government so they pretend that they're being naughty
<Timur> CBC News:Arar launches lawsuit against US government
<Timur> LinuxElectrons - SCI FI Channel, CFI Ready Lawsuit Against Government
<Lupine> OcDoc: they tend to do their own "cause" a major disservice
<Timur> crazy religious dude, crazy Arab dude, crazy UFO group
<OcDoc> Lupine: if you agree with me that we have far fewer rights than we used to have, then where are the lawsuits against the regulations that have removed those rights?
<Lupine> those demanding "zero emission vehicles" only delayed the introduction of hybrids..
<Timur> we don't have fewer rights.
<Timur> we have a more complex society
<Lupine> OcDoc: well.. it seems to be "give and take".. "giving' more rights to fringe groups.. while taking away from others.
<OcDoc> Lupine: those aren't rights, those are privileges
<Timur> the only right I feel I have been losing is not rights vis-a-vis the government, but vis-a-vis my fellow citizens. Like the right to not hear loud stupid people in crowded places, for example
<OcDoc> Timur: well, we've disagreed before on that
<Lupine> case in point [ and just to piss off Timur ], I can now carry my firearm concealed just about anywhere in the US [ including DC, NYC, chicago and LAX ]
<Timur> Oc: well, how about an example
<Lupine> now, it SHOULD be allowed for any lawful citizen.. but at least "I got mine" ;-)
<Timur> Lup: yeah well, you're probably more responsible and intelligent than the average gun nut, so. :)
<OcDoc> Timur: I no longer have the right to build a house on my property without government permission and I cannot build it any way I prefer and I have to pay the government for the right to keep my property
<DarthBurg> i do not fear a law abiding citizen with a gun
<pilgrim`> there is nothign wrong with guns. The voices tell me to always keep mine clean
<Lupine> Timur: i only "can" because of my prior service.. if I did not have that, I wouldn't be able to.
<Timur> Oc: isn't that a zoning law, which is municipal/township/county?
<Ang3lu5> OcDoc its the new socialism
<Lupine> pil: I don't like clean guns.. I like mine oiled up ;-)
<OcDoc> Timur: that was an elitist statement
<Timur> it's also a more *crowded* country
<Timur> Oc: ok, well, it's probably also true
<JanetB> hahah my dog is freaking out, I bout a skelton.. almost as tall as I am, and it moves it mouth and had red eyes when it sings super freak, and she keeps barking at it
<OcDoc> Lupine: how do I get that kind of license? I'm a vet too
<Timur> I don't mind being considered elitist if what I say is true
<pilgrim`> Lupine Vietname that was an issue too
<OcDoc> Timur: you mean the local government isn't government?
<pilgrim`> local government is a group of people elected to be first in line when the bribes are handed out
<rond> OC if you move to the country out of city limits you don't have those restrictions
<Lupine> Katey: I have the best thing for my lawn.. it's going to scare the *crud* out of all the kids when it gets up and walks
<Lupine> http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=5389
<Timur> Oc: I'm asking, are you distinguishing between any levels of government, or just lumping it all together
<pilgrim`> rond till you are anexed
<Timur> the Federal government really doesn't care about municipal zoning laws unless it's challenged in court to a federal level
<rond> move far nough out and you will never be anaxed
<RustyFord> thats ****ing sick
<rond> anexed
<OcDoc> rond: so my rights as a citizen depend on where I live?
<rond> sometimes yes
<pilgrim`> OcDoc of course
<Timur> wow, welcome to earth
<Timur> NYC is not Montana
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