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<rond> lol
<Timur> as trap said, most Jews (probably over 90%) in Germany lived in cities.
<Timur> lol
<Lupine> Heh. I live on a private road. All the roads/utilities/etc were paid by the private owners.. not a single god damn dime of pubic money used..
<Lupine> which is nice: we have no potholes.. we had power/water/internet thru Wilma
<trapezoid> lupine: fine, but it is not typical in urban areas
<Lupine> less than 2% of all the entire county had city power.. we made up over halfof that
<trapezoid> and these days 50% of america is urban
<rond> is it that high ?
<rond> 50%
<trapezoid> well, not exactly sure
<trapezoid> but it is close
<Lupine> trape: well.. it also is easier when it is a brand new developement
<trapezoid> yeah
<trapezoid> my mother still has no power
<Lupine> one of my real estate friends says that might add an easy $50k to the value of the house alone
<trapezoid> well her house doesn't
<trapezoid> she evacuated
<US^Male> I heard Pompano was still without power
<trapezoid> so she does :)
<Lupine> huge areas have no power
<trapezoid> boca on 441 is without power
<Lupine> I have many friends who the power company is saying "nov 23".. maybe
<trapezoid> trees all blew over
<rond> there he is !! OC what about private roads ???
<trapezoid> pretty ****ed up
<trapezoid> she was lucky
<trapezoid> her hoyse is ok
<Lupine> yea.. estimating 10-15,000 poles down in broward alone
<OcDoc> rond: wow ... hot little debator aren't you?
<trapezoid> but her porch over the pool fell apart
<rond> lol
<OcDoc> what about roads?
<rond> http://oilfieldtrashpart2.com/archives/25 <---- My oil well example in action
<trapezoid> ahhhh
<US^Male> trap where, Glades Rd & 441 ?
<US^Male> thereabouts ?
<trapezoid> mr "private roads" are arrived :)
<trapezoid> hi ocdoc
<rond> just joking OC on the private roads someone said your hot on that topic
<trapezoid> us: yeah
<OcDoc> rond: I'm a Texan too ... I LIKE oil rigs and gas wells
<US^Male> I know the area pretty well
<rond> well what I was talking about is a NOW problem here
<trapezoid> us: my mother lives there
<OcDoc> there are lots of ways to fund roads ... the people with the greatest interest in roads are the people who use them
<trapezoid> bus she flew to philadelphia yesterday
<Lupine> lemme see if the local paper has the outage-map online
<US^Male> I'm surprised so many people lost power
<trapezoid> so she could watch TV :)
<OcDoc> hey trap
<trapezoid> US: weird, she said lauderdale airport was absolutely empty
<US^Male> although we used to call Florida Power & Light .... "Florida Flash & Flicker"
<Katey> OcDoc, or the people who benefit from their use...which is pretty much everyone
<trapezoid> her flight was only 26% full
<Lupine> OcDoc: I live in a community that was entirely privately funded. Down to the utilities. We also were about the only significant area of Broward that had power/internet/water/phone thruout hurricane Wilma
<OcDoc> Katey: you benefit from my street?
<OcDoc> Lupine: that's one of the advantages
<Katey> OcDoc, I benefit from good roads, yep. All the stuff I buy has to be transported on them
<Lupine> no potholes, never have any flooding, etc
<rond> If you put up good xmas lights I might benifit from your street
<OcDoc> Katey: you don't benefit at all from my roads
<Lupine> there is a difference between roads being "servicable" and being good
<Gazpacho> the US federal highway system developed from private routes
<Katey> OcDoc, I might
<Katey> I dunno
<OcDoc> you aren't within a thousand miles of EVER using one of my roads
<Timur> trap: who did?
<Gazpacho> well, not private routes, but privately designated routes
<Katey> personally using them? no
<Katey> But things I need might use them
<trapezoid> gazpacho: the US interstate suytem was actually built as a defense project
<Gazpacho> they were state roads
<OcDoc> Katey: the only way you could benefit from using my roads is to come visit me
<Timur> trap: what's she doing in Phily?
<Katey> OcDoc, or to buy something that's transported on your roads
<trapezoid> IKE was so impressed by the german autobahns he wanted to emulate them in the usa
<Katey> Or to work for a company that transports things on your roads
<Katey> or to own stock in that company
<Gazpacho> trapezoid: the blue whale is the world's largest animal.
<trapezoid> timur: my sister lives in nj, just outside philly
<OcDoc> Katey: this is a residential neighborhood and nobody makes anything you might buy
<trapezoid> timur: so she is "visiting"
<tehdave> ocdoc: if i decide to start a business, and i want to deliver my goods to your street, well, i suddenly have an interest in it.
<Lupine> Trape: here are the official "outage maps" http://fpl.com/storm/contents/wilma_outage_maps.shtml
<trapezoid> gazpacho: everest is the highest mountain
<Lupine> trape: look at broward
<OcDoc> Katey: but let's say that they make boards here that you want where you are ... and let's say they had to pay a toll to use the roads to bring you the lumber
<Katey> OcDoc, I lived in a residential area too. But lots of people drive by that don't live on my street
<rond> ha what will they think of next...wife just bought little kids tooth brushes that blinks lights. the lenght of the blinking lights is how long your supposed to brush
<OcDoc> Katey: what difference does it make to you how the truck pays for the road it uses?
<Timur> trap: nice, hope she enjoys
<Katey> OcDoc, ok. Lets say all the roads were privately owned and they had to pay a toll every time they turned the corner. :)
<OcDoc> Katey: okay ... how would that affect you when you buy the lumber?
<Timur> Katey: manned by the honored members of the local militia
<rond> toll roads the bane of the north east US
<Timur> oh wait, that's Somalia
<Katey> OcDoc, It makes a difference in that you can't depend on everyone to be responsible and take good care of their property
<Katey> OcDoc, It wouldn't affect the price?
<OcDoc> Katey: say what?
<JanetB> a tooth brush that plays a song for as long as you are supposed to brush
<US^Male> I love not having toll roads here
<rond> no just blinking lites on these ones
<Gazpacho> Timur: the only private industry somalia seems to have developed is telecom
<OcDoc> Katey: the county roads here are full of potholes >> I can't depend on my local government to take good care of "our" property
<JanetB> yes, but you asked what they will think of next heehehe
<Timur> Gaz: right, they have to be prepared in case more Blackhawks come down
<rond> ohhhh yeah
<rond> :)
<US^Male> ther emight be some toll roads aroud here somewhere, but you don't have to drive on them
<Timur> Oc: vs. whom?
<JanetB> see patent that idea :D
<US^Male> you can get wherever you need to go without them
<Katey> OcDoc, Sounds like your county needs to spend some more money on their roads
<rond> gogglinjg patent forms now
<JanetB> hahah
<Hangfire> Gazpacho actually someone is running a cola bottling plant there too
<OcDoc> Timur: she said the argument against private roads was that people can't depend on them to take good care of their property
<Gazpacho> Hangfire: someone was in Afghanistan before the invasion too. that doesn't take much.
<OcDoc> Katey: no, it sounds like our county needs to privatize the road system and make the people who use the roads pay for them
<Katey> The county is at least accountable to the voters
<Hangfire> Gazpacho make cola... not war
<Lupine> OcDoc: the best thing about private roads? No fat cops eating donuts looking for "speeders" :-)
<Katey> An individual "road owner" is accountable to no one
<trapezoid> lupine how do i read the map?
<Timur> Oc: that's one
<trapezoid> and where is 441?
<OcDoc> Lupine: amen
<rond> I am only driving on the roads that are free under that world
<Timur> what if the private company decided to charge $100 per user?
<JanetB> oh and another idea.... a brush that says... hey you are doing good, keep brushing... ting ting ting,, hey you are great.. all sone
<JanetB> done
<Rockfish> Multiple sources are telling RedState that Samuel A. Alito, Jr. of the Third Circuit Court of Appeals will be named by the President at the next ***ociate justice of the United States Supreme Court as early as Monday. "The situation is still in flux," says one source, "but not very much." Says another, "The White House Counsel's Office is not doing too good at keeping this a secret."
<Gazpacho> trapezoid: 441 what
<Timur> if it's about making a profit, then it's not about serving the public, necessarily
<JanetB> positive reinforcment
<Timur> what if they want to keep blacks off the road
<Timur> or, women, or whomever
<bud``> Alito is the only logical choice
<OcDoc> rond: right now you pay for the roads through gasoline tax, even if you don't use the roads ... and the powerful get their roads in perfect condition and the rest of us have potholes
<occ_> the president will name him "Samuel A. Alito"
<rond> I am happy with the roads I use
<Rockfish> Why is Alito the only logical choice
<Timur> Oc: roads are pretty fine in my town
<Timur> not perfect, but not riven with potholes either
<trapezoid> well
<rond> as matter of fact we are getting a new street in front of our house starting next week
<trapezoid> if ocdoc like the idea of private roads, more power to him
<Gazpacho> are there any long roads in the US that are actually privately managed?
<JanetB> I am totally sick and tired of the repairs they do on the roads here that need NO repair, cause traffic jams all the time!
<rond> it will take 100 days to rebuild
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