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<rond> we play football !!!!!
<rond> and Golf !!!
<Emil^> rond - youu dont get it.........
<rond> :)
<Emil^> when the u.s. beats a european team - this is a slap in the face or europe
<rond> I know
<Emil^> we dont make it news
<Emil^> europe will
<Emil^> we got to the final 8 last round
<rond> I don't care about slapping the euroes in the face myself, I like doing the things we do
<Emil^> rond same here
<bmc> i watched umd get their ***ed handed to them last night
<rond> I do like the Tour De Lance though
<Lotec> Emil, it's a slap to them everytime we laugh at em for calling it "football"
<bmc> ****ing idiots were up by a td
<bmc> get behind by 1 point
<Emil^> i just want to see american soccer shine
<bmc> 7 mins on the clock
<rond> now that was good and good for a long time
<bmc> and this idiot coach has them throw the ball
<bmc> interception, another score
<bmc> down by 8
<bmc> that coach should be fired
<Emil^> wait till 2006......if the u.s. shows you' see what i'm talking about
<bmc> 7 mins on the clock down by 1
<bmc> why would you throw the ball?
<bmc> you have 7 mins to run down the clock and get in FG range
<rond> I am sure if the US does good in international soccer what your saying is true
<Emil^> rond - despite we were in the top 8 last round - the world wants to piss on us
<rond> they always do
<bmc> college football is almost funner to watch then NFL
<Emil^> rond - we can shut them up tho :)
<bmc> dont have any famous players but they make good plays and usually take chances
<rond> did you hear lances victory interview this year
<Emil^> rond - portugal was like #5 in the world - we were beating them 3-0 in korea - i was so proud ot here the americans beging the 'overated' chant
<rond> he alluded to how difficult it was for him to live in europe 6 months of the year
<rond> said he was partially quiting to just not have to do that
<bmc> the tour de lance
<Emil^> i love seeing americans respresent
<inert> he should threaten to come out of retirement.
<bmc> the french would boycott
<Emil^> i may not care about biking - but i love lance!
<Emil^> he makes me want to care about militant cyclist type people
<inert> i'm a cyclist. he's ok.
<Emil^> inert - before lance i would have said - ohh so inert's a cyclists............
<Emil^> thank to lance, this is no different
<rond> what is militant about cyclist ?
<rond> never heard that ***ociation
<Emil^> lemme clarify i used to not give a **** about marathons or cycling
<inert> there's a subculture of cyclists that hate cars and stuff
<Emil^> but thanks to armnstrong - i do care now
<Emil^> right now teh american public doesnt' eiether know or care about us soccer
<bmc> maybe extreme mountain bikers could be labeled militant
<rond> Inert I have done 4 centuries, several single engine/fly/ride trips
<rond> I never met militant cyclist
<Emil^> but when we show - and world can't wait to piss on us - we'll all are
<Emil^> care**
<inert> rond: they are out there...
<Emil^> americans dont' realize the shame that goes with being defeted by americans in soccer
<Emil^> when the AMERICAN soccer team beats you........your country scorns you
<rond> I guess inert I suspect there all less than 25 ?
<inert> rond: you've heard of critical m***, eh?
<Emil^> it doesnt' matter we're ranked now 7th in the world (and i think this is wrong)
<rond> no
<Emil^> if the u.s. defeats you - you're shamed
<rond> but I have been out of cycling a few years
<rond> I have a santana racing tandem
<inert> critical m*** cycling <-- put that into google
<Emil^> when the day comes an american champions the tour de france i'll care again
<rond> I see they sound like Peta
<inert> you've determined that in like 10 seconds :)
<bmc> cycling enviro-whackos?
<inert> but i guess they have similarities
<rond> yeah its an easy ***ociation
<Emil^> jebus chill - what's wrong with giving props to lance?
<Emil^> let keep **** in check
<rond> in my opinion cars and bikes have to co-exist and the local govts need to do more to support that
<rond> to try to get rid of cars is really swiming upstream
<rond> Peta
<Emil^> rond - that is like saying 'in my opnion air is a good thing to breate'
<inert> yeah, it will never happen.
<inert> i think most of the activists understand that
<rond> I hope so
<bmc> why not push for something more realistic
<inert> and push more for equality of bikes & cars
<rond> because there does need to be an organized push for more bike access but to add the element of getting rid of cars just ruins that effort
<bmc> like clean alternative fuels
<Emil^> i like what my community has been doing - we've converted old railraod tracks to public walkways
<bmc> push for more people to use public transit
<bmc> move more **** on trains
<inert> Emil^, that is happening here too. it is a nice project
<rond> Fort worth has miles of bike trails and is extending towards Dallas with the goal of being able to reach dallas by bike trails
<bmc> why not renovate them?
<Emil^> inert - it all depends on your region - here it makes perfect sense
<bmc> and run trains on them
<rond> its murder otherwise...I have done it
<rond> 80 miles round trip
<Emil^> inert - i love having all these bike trails.....
<inert> me too, although the city seems to have stalled on them here.
<bmc> could probably take 10 18-wheelers off the road for every train you used
<inert> still need the trucks for the last mile
<alh> a lot of work on alternative fuel in sweden now.. People rebuild their cars to run on ethanol.. It is a fairly simple procedure that works on most normal cars I hear...
<bmc> or they would just use them to move something else increasing profit even more :P
<Lotec> http://multimedia.honda-eu.com/newcars/300k_player.swf
<bmc> yes local runs
<bmc> but they would be doing that anyways
<bmc> so its not adding anything
<bmc> they have to move **** to the trains also
<bmc> so as theyre brining a load
<bmc> they can pick up one on the way out
<inert> i think a lot of the abandoned tracks are abandoned because they were inefficient anyway
<inert> maybe more efficient routes were created
<bmc> its not more efficient anymore though
<bmc> look at traffic
<bmc> look at fuel costs
<Emil^> inert - times chance interubrans used to be the most efficent means to move people
<bmc> trains are the answer
<Emil^> trains wont work in the u.s. ....i mena look at amtrack and the last 100 years
<Emil^> we are a large country
<bmc> not as people movers
<bmc> as material movers
<Emil^> sadly i dont see any answer
<Emil^> rail is dead in the u.s........
<Emil^> air is too expensive
<bmc> i dont think so
<Lotec> Things like coal still need to be moved by rail
<bmc> as things become more populated, more crowded, more traffic
<bmc> we will have to make more use of trains
<bmc> why not be prepared for that day?
<Emil^> i'm all for ya
<bmc> or build a ****load more highways
<Emil^> the us alone has 40% of global coal reserves
<bmc> we dont need all that highway
<Emil^> but that doesn't matter
<bmc> start stacking highways
<Emil^> 51% of us power comes from coal
<bmc> instead of paving more land
<Emil^> the day when people care more about electricity or keeping food frozen or ice cold this may change
<Emil^> illiniois, kentucky, indiana, ohio - ENDLESS coal reserves..but ......... to much sulfer so we cant use those rescources
<Emil^> coal is great if it comes from the east - it's cleaner burning - people dont ***** so much
<bmc> coal, been there done that
<bmc> we need new energy sources
<bmc> not in 20 yrs
<Emil^> we have enouch coal in the midwest alone to power the u.s. for centuries - no ****
<bmc> now
<inert> ahh cspan...
<Emil^> but liek all americans we'd rather go poor than use coal which 'pollutes' i mean no other coal does right?
<bmc> coal is a limited resource also
<Emil^> bmc - yeah and the u.s. has 40% of the world known reserves
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