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<OcDoc> well, somebody has to do something about it, even if it doesn't work!
<Lupine> katey: No, in my neighborhood
<OcDoc> now there's a government motto
<Gazpacho> DiscoTaco: don't insult me with your flimsy observations
<DiscoTaco> Nice rebuttal.
<Lupine> Disco: Heh. Probably 99% of american drivers would flunk my driving test standard ;-)
<rond> I guess I am left leaning on roads, I like the govt handling that
<rond> hate to admit that but that is basically my sentaments
<OcDoc> rond: we know ... we know
<OcDoc> rond many people think that the government is the only reasonable way to have a road system
<rond> I can only see a mess other wise
<OcDoc> rond: yeah, the limits of your imagination are apparent
<rond> yeah yeah
<Lupine> all our roads were clear the DAY of the hurricane.. many neighborhoods still have problems with debris on the road
<OcDoc> don't feel too badly, you're not alone
<OcDoc> if the public owns it, then no one owns it
<OcDoc> if no one owns it then no one takes care of it
<Kardos> govnernment has to supply infrastructure
<rond> I travel a lot and when I travel I take back roads, been doing that all my life...47 years as of last Thursday...no expercience here
<DiscoTaco> Lupine: Well you know how I feel about the stupidity that is our motoring public. And it is that way because government demands little more from motorists. I rather prefer a more German model, though I don't know that the German degree of expense is necessary.
<OcDoc> Kardos: why?
<Kardos> because businesses are unstable
<weezyl> It must be libertarian hour.
<Katey> rond, it's okay. if you don't believe that it would be better to pay a toll every time you turn a corner I guess it means you have a limited imagination. :)
<OcDoc> Kardos: government didn't supply my infrastructure and it's in good operating condition
<Kardos> if the road co goes under, then everything grinds to a half
<rond> I despise toll booths
<Gazpacho> DiscoTaco: the government does provide licenses easily. It also takes them away. I'd like you to make some points that can't be countered so trivially
<OcDoc> weezyl: it's ALWAYS libertarian hour
<Timur> weez: yeah, here it is
<OcDoc> rond: so do I ... that's why I use the EZbox
<Timur> we're a very oppressed lot
<OcDoc> Timur: you're in the majority and you run the world ... don't hand us that ****
<Lupine> eh? the govn't does not take licenses away from many who OUGHT to have them revolked
<OcDoc> Timur: all we have left is arguing on IRC
<Gazpacho> Katey: you do know that small railroads in the US have merged into networks, don't you?
<weezyl> There are aspects of libertarianism that I think are pretty neat; it's usually the vehemence of the loudest proponents that's a total turn-off.
<Gazpacho> Katey: they haven't all remained separate
<OcDoc> Lupine: wouldn't work anyway ... people who lose their licenses keep driving without them
<DarthBurg> Tolls Roads unfairly target the poor
<OcDoc> weezyl: sort of like the vehemence of the loudest Democrats and Republicans?
<Katey> roads in my area are all separate streets.
<Gazpacho> DarthBurg: do utilities also target the poor?
<OcDoc> Darth: how is that unfair?
<weezyl> OcDoc - probably, although I mind the Democrats less due to my own proclivities.
<DarthBurg> Gazpacho near as i can tell, everything targets the poor, especially if it costs money
<OcDoc> Darth: do the poor have to pay gasoline tax?
<DiscoTaco> Gazpacho: Yeah, great. It takes them away *after* people prove they're incompetent or irresponsible rather than screening them for competence and decision-making skills beforehand. And the result is 55,000 dead per year. ****ing brilliant. And if my points are "countered so trivially," you might actually try countering them instead of waxing More Intelligent Than Thou.
<DiscoTaco> Just so you know, it is often ***umed that those who play that game lack the intellectual capacity to actually formulate an argument or counter-position.
<weezyl> But obnoxo is obnoxo.
<OcDoc> weezyl: are you saying my arguments are too vehement and I"m being obnoxious?
<Gazpacho> DarthBurg: well then let's just nationalize everything
<US`Male> toll booths **** ***. Garden State Pkway for example, stopping or slowing each car down for a lousy 35 cents
<US`Male> they nickel and dime you to death
<DarthBurg> Gazpacho that would be an extremely bad idea.
<weezyl> Not at all! I'm making a general statement. DiscoTaco probably comes closest and he/she's not even being particularly obnoxo.
<DiscoTaco> US-Male: does the Parkway accept EZ-P***?
<OcDoc> weezyl: in fact, it's the opposition who is simply saying "government has to do it and I don't have to say why"
<US`Male> if I must pay, charge me in some other manner than toll booths
<US`Male> yeah they take EZ p***
<US`Male> but everyone still has to slow down
<Gazpacho> DiscoTaco: I rarely come across a truly bad driver on the road.
<OcDoc> US: that's a technical question ... what's more annoying is traffic jams on public "freeways"
<US`Male> yeah those **** too
<DiscoTaco> Gazpacho: good for you. I have a friend in a wheelchair who isn't so lucky.
<US`Male> that's why I rarely drive on the 405 freeway here
<US`Male> near LA
<DiscoTaco> US-Male: hmm. Illinois tollways are gradually phasing in "open-road tolling" which reads I-P*** and EZ-P*** at full highway speed.
<Gazpacho> DiscoTaco: I have a friend in a wheelchair who could beat up your friend.
<US`Male> if I'm going to have to drive slow, I might as well drive along the coastline for scenery
<OcDoc> why should the poor get to drive on an expensive freeway? do they get to drive a m***erati?
<bmc> cause they paid for it
<DiscoTaco> Gazpacho: you're a cockhat. Go buzz around someone else's ear, gnat-boy.
<DiscoTaco> ignore time.
<US`Male> lol
<weezyl> Ooh, "cockhat" is a new one.
<weezyl> I'll need to remember that.
<Gazpacho> Katey: roads in your area are all separate streets? separate how?
<DiscoTaco> weezyl: generally a term I reserve for slutty women who are often found on top of men's cocks like a hat. But it seems to work well enough in this case too.
<OcDoc> if the poor didn't have to pay so much in gasoline tax, they might choose to spend it on a toll road, or they might choose to spend it on something else and drive on the local roads instead
<OcDoc> better choice for everyone
<US`Male> I think EZ P*** in NY/NJ works at around 30 mph or something now
<weezyl> Disco - Huh.
<US`Male> somethin like that
<OcDoc> eye bob for apples
<rond> wonder how much the cost of billions (said like carl sagen) of toll boths would to the cost of American highways
<weezyl> Aw, the little girl next door sounds adorable as she appears to be tearing down the back porch.
<weezyl> Ah, dad stopped her. Awesome.
<OcDoc> rond: less than they cost now with government fiat money
<|bob> lesson for today, don't make sympathy pleas on IRC if you're not ready for them to be thrown back in your face.
<rond> how do you know ?
<|bob> KATEY ANSWER ME
<|bob> Katey: roads in your area are all separate streets? separate how?
<weezyl> Time to do some shopping.
<weezyl> bob, it's possible Katey is doing something, y'know, in real life. Settle.
<weezyl> Jeez.
<rond> really
<weezyl> Folks can read backscroll.
<OcDoc> bob: you do realize we have absolutely no idea what you're talking about
<|bob> OcDoc: what am I talking about?
<OcDoc> I have absolutely no idea
<weezyl> Heh.
<|bob> me neither
<weezyl> And now that *everyone's* completely clueless, I go.
<occ_> y0 y0
<occ_> bob demands ans-wars
<OcDoc> ah, the government mail is here
<OcDoc> and it's only 4 PM
<OcDoc> akf
<OcDoc> er um .... afk
<strider_> it's 7pm!
<rond> How much does it cost to collect tolls? Some costs are easy to add up, like $488 million for E-ZP*** or all the salaries, overtime, and benefits of the hundreds of toll collectors and NJ Highway Authority staff members, plus the costs of all the physical buildings and toll plazas need for those employees.
<CometBaby> Three teenage Christian girls were beheaded and a fourth was seriously wounded in a savage attack on Saturday by unidentified ***ailants in the Indonesian province of Central Sulawesi.
<CometBaby> The girls were among a group of students from a private Christian high school who were ambushed while walking through a cocoa plantation in Poso Kota subdistrict on their way to cl***, police Major Riky Naldo said.
<CometBaby> Indonesia is the world's most populous Muslim nation, but Central Sulawesi has a roughly equal number of Muslims and Christians. The province was the scene of a bloody religious war in 2001-2002 that killed around 1000 people from both communities.
<CometBaby> beheaded
<rond> I Am not leaving the states anytime soon
<CometBaby> then there is this from prince charles
<CometBaby> The Prince of Wales will try to persuade George W Bush and Americans of the merits of Islam this week because he thinks the United States has been too intolerant of the religion since September 11.
<rond> spending my money and my time here
<CometBaby> WE are too intollerant???????????
<CometBaby> clearly those boys have been brainwashed in those leftist universities over there
<trapezoid> yeah
<trapezoid> at least libby went to the Point
<trapezoid> not like those Yalie pussies
<occ_> im going to new haven tonite
<occ_> speaking of yalie pussies
<trapezoid> heh
<trapezoid> have a good time
<trapezoid> so wonder who the new SC nominee will be?
<trapezoid> bush did well with the new Fed Chairman
<|bob> CometBaby: every time Prince Charles opens his mouth, something stupid comes out
<occ_> the new sc nominee is prince charles?
<bmc> who is new fed chairman?
<trapezoid> barney rubble
<Lupine> of course, more than any other western leader.. Bush ahs gone out of his way to respect Islam and many muslims
<Lupine> trape: well, that is an improvement..
<trapezoid> heh
<bmc> at least its not fred :P
<|bob> CometBaby: prince charles is the barbra streisand of England
<trapezoid> prince charle4s really said that?
<trapezoid> i am surprised
<trapezoid> royalty isn't supposed to get involved in politics
<rond> It seems to me Prince C would find more fertile ground for is opinion on this deal in the EU
<|bob> trapezoid: he can say whatever he wants to about other countries' politics
<rond> from what I have read there pretty anti islamic over there far more than we here
<trapezoid> this DA fitzgerald is ****ing cool
<US`Male> hey at least Bush's son doesn't wear Nazi a uniform
<trapezoid> he is TOUGH
<trapezoid> and he went to an EXECELLENT college
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