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<gopp> hans_kung did they fix mac thier
<inert> wha?
<gopp> hans_kung if I take the path to nyc can I go to the apple store
<BlueJeans> Franken is usually good about his sources.
<gopp> or is it far from the path
<gopp> BlueJeans he lies many of time
<gopp> he spew liberal rants
<BlueJeans> yes, Franken does spew liberal rants - but he usually gets it right.
<IamKing> <+BlueJeans> yes, Franken does spew liberal rants - but he usually gets it right. <--- roflmao...that's a keeper
<IamKing> bwahahahahahahah
<gopp> Friday, Franken quoted O'Reilly recalling his Levittown days in a 2000 New York Observer article: "You don't come from any lower than I came from on an economic scale."
<gopp> But when Franken interviewed Hofstra professor and Levittown expert Barbara Kelly on the air, he learned there was no lie to uncover.
<gopp> so he lied
<gopp> "lies" != truth like his books says
<randym> i don't like books
<rond> good policy books are very bad
<rond> especially ones that you can learn things from
<gopp> XM Satellite Radio is launching Fox News Talk and Infinity Broadcasting is debuting yet another conservative politico, Jay Severin, in eight markets.
<FreeTrade> Gopp, Fox TV news or FOX radio ?
<randym> FOX radio
<FreeTrade> Caught a Trojan today on my box.. I have two programs I use one is microsoft beta anti spyware the other one is Zone Alarms new Anti spyware program
<FreeTrade> Randym, So it is not a audio of the tv show ?
<FreeTrade> its a totally seperate thing ?
<IamKing> FreeTrade caught a cyber-transmitted disease!
<randym> no, it's seperate as i understand it
<gopp> FreeTrade xm will get fox news radio
<gopp> FreeTrade fox news is the audio
<gopp> freed
<gopp> FreeTrade but fox news radio
<gopp> is a radio talk show
<gopp> for fox
<hans_kung> wow, lots of felons in that list BlueJean
<randym> i need new bluejeans
<gopp> FreeTrade it will air alcolme talks how, bill o R show, and hannity show
<FreeTrade> Ahh. Only reason I bought the most expensive package from sattelites was because it gave me parts for free for 3 months, I am going to drop down to thier medium level though now, since thats where fox is. If they would do fox on their cheap version I would go down to it.
<gopp> FreeTrade and xm will also still carry fox news
<FreeTrade> Its the only real reason I wanted sattelite.
<FreeTrade> Though I have enjoyed the movies.
<gopp> FreeTrade you should get sat radio XM
<gopp> it has both foxnews audio feed and fox news radio
<FreeTrade> IM talking TV sattelite though not radio which I do not subscribe to.
<FreeTrade> And have no plans of subscribing to it at present.
<gopp> hmm I have dish network in my bussiness
<gopp> FreeTrade and I don't get fox
<gopp> I have spanish package
<gopp> dish latino or some thing like that
<randym> cool
<gopp> The reason we got dish latino is for spanish soccer
<FreeTrade> Well Dish has a 120 150 and 180 station plan. I have the 180
<FreeTrade> I am going to drop to the 150 soon.
<gopp> FreeTrade you got top of the line
<gopp> well
<randym> america's top 180
<gopp> 120 plan don't have fox news
<CryHavoc> dish latino....broadcast from an innertube
<CryHavoc> :)
<FreeTrade> Yeah, but I want to cut down, I am not watching a lot of the programs above the 150 channels. Or beyond them
<gopp> I don't know why they give you msnbc and cnn
<gopp> but not fox
<randym> fox is premium
<CryHavoc> 180 stations...lolol
<gopp> FreeTrade why do you get cnn and msnbc and bloomberg for lower package but not fox
<gopp> ???
<gopp> and I had to pay 5 usd extra f or local channels
<CryHavoc> they should call that the TV out the *** plan
<Timur> fox msnbc and cnn all come with basic here
<gopp> Timur for for dish network
<Timur> libral conprisy?
<CryHavoc> fox is better quality?
<Timur> ah
<FreeTrade> Gopp, It could be an arraingment with Fox. Or it could be the popularity of FOX they can force you into a higher fee service.
<randym> satellite providers know which channels are quality/non-quality
<gopp> FreeTrade I think it the latter
<FreeTrade> More likely its the popularity factor which is what most buisness models use.
<randym> cnn is the default ****stain news network
<gopp> well I don't watch fox for that reason
<gopp> so any time a liberal or none consertive says you spew fox
<gopp> I say I don't watch fox
<gopp> and At home I don't own a tv
<gopp> :)
<randym> gopp: but you listen to it :/
<FreeTrade> They know a lot of people want FOX because CNN is boring so they charge more. CNN is boring because thier content is predictable.
<gopp> On xm well not as much
<gopp> I listen to music ON xm
<gopp> FreeTrade yes, Fox has better programing
<BlueJeans> heh - I know I'm going to trust the thoughts of someone who's only news source is internet chat channels....
<gopp> even thier liberal programing is better
<FreeTrade> Though all the Cable News Channels are slowing trying to be more like Fox News.
<gopp> like thier milltary show
<gopp> on sunday I heard is good wil cornell west
<CryHavoc> haha..like Fox...as in really fair and balanced?
<gopp> FreeTrade but with XM I get fox news feed, and ON cspan ON sunday I get fox news sunday
<FreeTrade> Fox just has more debates which people seem to like and they almost always get both sides of any editorical opinion.. Lots of arguments from the left and the right.
<gopp> on XM radio
<hans_kung> No news shows on cable are even in the top 15 spots. Wrestling however got top rankings.
<CryHavoc> hans_...go figure!
<Timur> fair and balanced news that's 99% crap is still mostly crap. :)
<FreeTrade> For a long time elite leftists would avoid FOX, for fear of the VRWC, but now they routinely come on fox and argue thier side.
<Timur> elite leftists?
<BlueJeans> Gotta love how the Bush administration has hired journalists to promote his agenda as if it was real reporting (nevermind that government-sponsored propaganda is illegal in the USA).
<gopp> FreeTrade with Xm I will get know fox radio news
<Timur> what's the VRWC
<CryHavoc> is looking forward to getting some Dem heavy hitters on there
<gopp> not fox news
<CryHavoc> Hillary versus O'Reilly for example
<CryHavoc> or TK
<FreeTrade> Sure, Like Clinton, Hillary still has never come on.. (Bill has).. Who else. Just certain democratic and leftwing prima donnas.
<FreeTrade> I think Kerry has never been on. but I am not sure.
<CryHavoc> FT...that showdown would be worth taping
<Timur> let's see
<tnzr> http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article323336.ece
<Timur> so, leftwing = elitists and prima donnas
<hans_kung> Fox Network news got some pretty poor marks in 2002 by ADT Research, in a review of all cable news outlets.
<Timur> and conservatives are.. what
<Timur> ? :)
<gopp> FreeTrade did michle moore ever go on fox
<JanetB> kerry did an interview with colmes
<tnzr> old folx
<FreeTrade> But because Fox is the fairest to the white house they now have more access to the whitehouse on some exclusives than the other channels.
<hans_kung> Staged most interviews in a confrontational format
<hans_kung> Asked questions in an opinionated and combative style
<hans_kung> Selected interview guests with partisan, forensic and military backgrounds
<CryHavoc> Timur..some of them are also elitists and prima donas
<FreeTrade> And this would be true in a McCain presidency or any Republican presidency.
<gopp> hans_kung never staged on fox
<mykl> both are elitists
<Timur> let's see, William Bennett was a hypocritical moralizer with a gambling addiction who said aborting black babies would lessen crime
<CryHavoc> hans_ wants to play the Fox organ
<Timur> CH: exactly my point. :)
<Timur> some are
<hans_kung> ADT Research made that claim gopp, the review is online...
<Timur> and some aren't on both sides
<gopp> Timur are you saying half the truth
<gopp> sure you are
<FreeTrade> JanetB, thats right, Out of studio with no opportunity for debate.
<BlueJeans> being a white house toady isn't the same as being fair to the white house. Besides, what we need is news reporting that is fair to the people of the US.
<FreeTrade> But then Shawn has had some of those too, like with Cheney.
<JanetB> yup
<CryHavoc> Timur...I have always said the GOP is the lesser evil
<JanetB> yes
<Timur> gopp: which 'half' are you alleging I am saying?
<JanetB> and sean had the first lady in a pvt interview
<gopp> Timur the negative part
<gopp> Timur say the whole qoute
<gopp> FreeTrade check this out
<Timur> gopp: he still had a gambling addiction, which totally goes with his being a moralizing hypocrite
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