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<trapezoid> and he went to an EXECELLENT college
<rond> ha ha US
<US`Male> *a Nazi uniform
<trapezoid> best in the world, i hear them say
<|bob> trapezoid: and he's HANDSOME
<OcDoc> back ... the Little Drummer Boy came for our Lennox Nativity set
<DiscoTaco> CometBaby: I hope His Grace will forgive us simple 'Merrukins if we're not inclined to be lectured about tolerating Islam by a state figurehead of a nation that is so tolerant of Islam that it permits jihadists to walk freely among them and openly preach Jihad against the West.
<trapezoid> bob: amherst college alumni make the best DAs
<rond> Comet Priv ?
<|bob> Prince Charles probably believes Bush is a holy-roller, like most european intellectuals do
<trapezoid> isn't he?
<US`Male> well, of course. He's American.
<|bob> trapezoid: go back to europe
<OcDoc> Disco: it's not His Grace ... I think it's His Highness
<trapezoid> well bush sr is episcopalian
<DiscoTaco> OcDoc: On this topic, I prefer "His STFU"
<|bob> OcDoc: His Impotence
<DiscoTaco> was
<trapezoid> bush jr had to become a methodist
<US`Male> which also means Bush drives a pickup truck , drinks Budweiser, and watches the Dukes of Hazzard
<OcDoc> heh
<DiscoTaco> ah. sr
<trapezoid> US: he did, actually'
<bmc> bush does drive a pickup
<US`Male> and not just any pickup -- he has bales of hay in teh back
<trapezoid> US: bush jr was a "good ol' boy" till he found god
<OcDoc> the US is ga-ga over royalty because we don't have any
<trapezoid> so it is said
<DarthBurg> Europe has intellectuals?
<|bob> trapezoid: George W. is more tolerant than his father, but you'd never know that from the intellectuals
<DiscoTaco> That's what you get for trying to smooch your bird.
<US`Male> trap: not really -- e likes to act that way but you can't have tons of cash for generations and truly be a "gool ol' boy"
<bmc> yea wtf are doing trying to get toungue from your bird
<bmc> pervert
<trapezoid> bob: i am more tolerant than my father, but i like George H W bush better
<US`Male> he does try to hang with the good ol' boys though
<trapezoid> bob: he fits better into my elitist philosophy
<|bob> trapezoid: George H. W. said that atheist shouldn't be considered citizens
<trapezoid> bob: damn right
<DarthBurg> lol
<|bob> trapezoid: why you throw chip huh?
<Lupine> well, since our rights are given to us by our creator.. if you don't believe in a creator, you get no rights :-)
<OcDoc> Lotec: have you seen McGuffey's Fifth Eclectic Reader?
<bmc> atheists are 3/5ths citizens
<Lotec> Doc, no but I've heard of it
<trapezoid> geoege h w bush is still best friends with brent scowcroft, and some say scowcroft actually spoke for bush sr when he wrote the op ed piece AGAINST the iraq war in 02
<OcDoc> Lotec: kids were expected to read at a much higher level back then
<trapezoid> ummm
<trapezoid> sorry
<trapezoid> libnby is a yakie too
<trapezoid> yalie too
<trapezoid> it is scowcroft who went to the point
<DiscoTaco> trapezoid: great. "Please don't finish what I started."
<DiscoTaco> trapezoid: are you drunk tonight or are your fingers just fatter than usual? :)
<|bob> trapezoid: some say the moon is made of cheese
<OcDoc> trap: my mom and dad are yalies
<DiscoTaco> With the exception of hard sciences and maybe law, does being a Yalie have any actual academic merit any more? Or is it just a shinier badge of honor than your normal degree?
<trapezoid> ocdoc: i neverf liked yalies
<occ_> its all pretty subjective
<occ_> in terms of the "value" of a degree from X school
<trapezoid> ocdoc: they used to come to the mixers and pick up the smithies
<CryArvach> greets....
<OcDoc> Disco: my dad went to a rural one room schoolhouse, then got a scholarship to a local private college and then a scholarship to Yale Med School ... he says it was much better than any other medical school at the time
<OcDoc> trap: I think you would have liked my parents
<trapezoid> ocdoc: i agree, some schools are better than others
<occ_> and different "top-tier" schools have different things they're known for and all that
<Cryolas> LOLOLOL!!! Thank you Twobar!
<trapezoid> ocdoc i am sure i would have
<DiscoTaco> OcDoc: a) Universities hadn't become an insult to academic values yet when your dad graduated, b) notice my exlcusion of hard sciences from my question.
<occ_> MIT is not known for its law program
<occ_> heh
<DiscoTaco> So your dad is exempt. :)
<OcDoc> trap: some of the yalies were snooty, but the school always included a large percentage of non blue bloods
<rond> In Texas if you want to go into law they say goto SMU Miers anyone ?
<trapezoid> ocdoc: i was at amherst college, which is why i disliked yalies....., they tried grab out women :)
<bmc> as its name implies :P
<trapezoid> our
<occ_> most people in ivy league schools arent ultra-rich or anything
<DiscoTaco> MIT should consider a law program. Patent law more or less requires a strong engineering background. It doesn't hurt for corporate law either.
<trapezoid> ocdoc: oh hey, most of my school was snooty, but **** em, so what?
<US`Male> "mind if we dance wif yo dates?"
<trapezoid> that's their life
<occ_> disco: its an interesting point
<OcDoc> trap: yup
<TimothyW> trapezoid : you should not became a drunk. Shows you have been defeated.
<bmc> how can you afford an ivy league school if your arent ultra rich
<trapezoid> timothyt: thanks i will keep that in mind
<Lupine> Disco: Indeed. I used to do some consulting in regards to patent law.. and so many of the lawyers are clueless about the particular subject area.
<bmc> most people will be lucky to afford community college
<trapezoid> bmc: scholarship
<DiscoTaco> IIT has a law program.
<US`Male> I don't think most attendees of Yale/Harvard are getting as much bang for their buck as they hoped
<US`Male> "buck" meaning the cost of that education
<trapezoid> US: most private colleges are the same expense
<OcDoc> USMale: it helps with your career ... the mystique is still there
<rond> going to yale, owning a baseball team, gov of Tex then pres...thats pretty good bang
<DiscoTaco> One of the more recruited law schools in Illinois for that matter. Though that owes more to its location and student demographic profile than its academic prowess.
<trapezoid> US: at least, the northeast liberal arts colleges, and the ivy league
<trapezoid> ocdoc: it helps in terms of the people you meet
<trapezoid> ocdoc: and yeah, it looks nice on a resume
<OcDoc> trap: networking
<US`Male> in order to view it as an investment, the additional cost of say Harvard compared to another colege, has to pay itself off fast enough
<US`Male> pay itself off in an increased salary or something
<OcDoc> US: it is ROI over your career lifetime
<US`Male> OcDoc no doubt it helps -- but does it help enough to justifiy the additional cost these days ?
<DiscoTaco> US`Male: What they're buying is a name that looks good on a resume. That's still worth something. But high-quality state schools are catching up, especially in specific disciplines. "Wharton School of Business" looks just about as good on a resume as "Harvard Business School" anymore.
<|bob> when candidates go to Harvard, someone tells them "you can decide to go somewhere else, but you'll never escape us because our ideas are everywhere"
<|bob> screw that
<OcDoc> US: it still does, although I suspect not as much as it used to
<DiscoTaco> Same with UMich Law
<|bob> stuck up bastards
<trapezoid> us: thing is, most folks who go to harvard do NOT consider the expense...... either they get a scholarship, or they can afford it, or they choose to spenmd every nickel they have on it
<OcDoc> Disco: the education you get there is still better
<|bob> as if it's a GOOD thing that Dershowitz's ideas are everywhere
<|bob> and Cornell West's?
<OcDoc> it's no nonsense and no one is allowed to fail without dropping out
<|bob> (he's at harvard isn't he?)
<US`Male> lot of students go into 40K debt to gain an additional 5,000 in annual salary once they graduate
<trapezoid> US: but i agree......if you compare people...... those who went to prestigious colleges vs those who didn't, in general, are similarly successful
<US`Male> maybe those numbers need some adjustment, but still
<OcDoc> US: so payback is eight years
<trapezoid> US: i mean all other things being equal
<US`Male> OcDoc in that scenaio yeah
<OcDoc> US: then it's all gravy for the next thirty
<trapezoid> US: there was an interestign survey
<Timur> http://www.compfused.com/directlink/965/
<bmc> ***uming you think of your job as your life :P
<US`Male> 8 years.... I could have invested that money in something and possibly made more
<Timur> wow
<OcDoc> bmc: my life is fifty percent job
<trapezoid> US: int he past they alwayus said an ivy degree paid for itself later in life, but the new survey shows that a person who was ACCEPTED at harvard and decided to go to Notra Dame, ended up doing JUST AS WELL
<bmc> work to live not live to work
<OcDoc> bmc: if I had to do something else my enjoyment of my life would be much less
<CryArvach> bbl...
<CryArvach> :)
<US`Male> a student could choose a less expensive schol get a great GPA and then make maybe 5K less but he's not in debt
<DiscoTaco> trapezoid: as more and more business owners / executives come from non-Ivy-League schools, being an Ivy League grad doesn't have the same panache in the corporate upper-crust that it used to.
<OcDoc> bmc; there's no difference betwee the two
<|bob> pancake?
<trapezoid> US: it is the man, not the school...... notwithstanding the networking, but even that counts only in the beginning
<US`Male> trap yeah bein accepted at Harvard is a good thing
<OcDoc> life is a process ... working is part of it
<US`Male> being*
<DiscoTaco> I won't dispute that they are by-and-large still among the best schools, but I do have to wonder if Ivy League students are getting their money's worth versus a top-tier flagship state school anymore.
<trapezoid> disco: i won't argue
<bmc> work is a means to an end
<OcDoc> I was accepted at Rice ... should have gone
<OcDoc> Disco: there was a lot of nonsense going on along with the education at U of Texas when I attended there ... I would say that MOST of the students enrolled there were not serious
<bmc> if you can make money without working, which most people would probably prefer, it spends just the same
<trapezoid> disco: the small liberal arts colleges in new england are also excellent, in my mind better than harvard/yale, cause you get full professors teaching freshman cl***es
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