<tortus> and, plumbers are paid well <US-Male> just because some guy decides to start a plumbing business doesn't mean he can't benefit from that <OcDoc> tortus: they don't need university education .. they need practical education and other basics that help them be good citizens <tweek> US-Male: isn't public HS education voluntary? <RustyFord> the Shelf in the rooooom <blender_> no <tortus> you cannot become a plumber without some algebra. <US-Male> tweek, only after 16 I think <tweek> holy ****, he got voice. <WiseElben> Hey, I have a question. During Jefferson and Madison's presidencies, who controlled the senta?