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<tweek> I wonder what he's going to do with it?
<unfounded> haha
<WiseElben> *senate
<Disbelief> blender_ because kids aren't taught critical thinking skills, they're allowed to slide by without much consequences, and core cirriculum are lacking. Evolution should be the basis for highschool biology, not a 1 day side issue.
<US-Male> well unless your parents sign off on it
<tweek> US-Male: didn't know that.
<Timur> well, I saw this
<Timur> <OcDoc> blender: take into account he's a TEACHER ... he's not IN the real world
<Timur> that's not a really reasonable basis for a critique of any advice or his reaction
<OcDoc> tweek: any high school that doesn't teach algebra isn't a high school
<Timur> Oc: so true
<tweek> OcDoc: I agree.
<blender_> yea critical thinking is lacking
<blender_> memorization is more important
<blender_> in alot of cases
<OcDoc> Timur: do you want me to scroll up farther for you and cut and paste the advice the teacher gave them?
<OcDoc> that I was responding to?
<tortus> most highschools only require the first algebra cl***. but offer the more advanced also. enter the parent
<Timur> Oc: yeah, or give me a keyword, please
<Timur> so I can /find
<tweek> memorization is rarely important in education.
<blender_> reality is a keyword
<US-Male> I think education of kids is compulsory up to a certain age
<Timur> tweek: only on a given test, but not ultimately
<US-Male> either public, private, or homeschool
<OcDoc> <blender_> "HIGH SCHOOL is not reality. EVERY CL*** YOU HAVE in this high school is a joke. Whhen you go to get a job, no one's going to ask you about your SAT scores, it means SQUAT. AP Computer Science is a big deal, high school is nothing, it's a joke. THIS IS THE REAL DEAL"
<OcDoc> <blender_> - my teacher
<tweek> lemme guess, he teaches AP CS?
<US-Male> yeah I'd say the teacher was mostly wrong
<Timur> Oc: yeah, but again it depends what one's goal is
<blender_> oh yea he further contradicts himself by saying "Getting a 5 on the AP test is a BIG DEAL. It shows DISCIPLINE"
<unfounded> and a weenie to boot
<OcDoc> Timur: that was the advice I was responding to ... you took my statement out of context
<Timur> SATs still are relevant if one is going to college
<unfounded> blender is your teacher a huge nerd
<RustyFord> I always thought it would be cool to ride bulls
<unfounded> god i'm so hung over
<Timur> I didn't and still don't know the context.
<blender_> even though he said sat scores mean squat, he said the ap cs test is importan
<unfounded> i should work out
<RustyFord> when i was a kid
<unfounded> but i'm a human wasteland
<Timur> Blender: do you intent to go to college?
<tweek> blender_: those tests are pretty ****ing hard.
<blender_> obviously
<OcDoc> Timur: that advice was BAD any way you look at it and it was wrong for him to say that and I stand my by response to THAT teacher's experience
<tweek> though most colleges I know of will accept a 3.
<US-Male> also I'd guess that most teachers would not agree with him
<blender_> yea i know i took 5 ap tests in junior year
<tortus> a good employer will ask you to show what you can do. not what cl***es you had in highschool. so you have a mcse cert? load it on this machine and sove the problems
<tweek> and won't give a **** if it's a 5.
<Timur> no, it wasn't
<US-Male> yeah it should get your foot in the door but you have to prove yourself
<Timur> oh
<tweek> tortus: exactly.
<Timur> wait, the long quote was from the teacher?
<Timur> <blender_> "HIGH SCHOOL is not reality. EVERY CL*** YOU HAVE in this high school is a joke. Whhen you go to get a job, no one's going to ask you about your SAT scores, it means SQUAT. AP Computer Science is a big deal, high school is nothing, it's a joke. THIS IS THE REAL DEAL"
<tortus> many mcse cannot do rudimentary functions. i know this from seeing the test
<Timur> then that teacher's an ***
<blender_> yea
<Timur> excuse my confusion please. :)
<OcDoc> Timur: if you've had more comprehensive experience in the real world you may be qualified to give that kind of advice to kids
<Timur> I couldn't imagine a teacher saying that
<blender_> i continued the quote just a bit up
<Timur> 'every cl*** except mine is MEANINGLESS'
<unfounded> haha yeah
<blender_> thats how alot of ap teachers are
<tweek> then again, I couldn't imagine an employer asking for SAT scores
<blender_> "dont compare this cl*** to any other AP cl*** you've ever taken. This is AP _____ "
<tweek> most of my AP teachers were also doing non-AP stuff
<Timur> tweek: they don't, but that's ***uming one's seeking to be employed right out of HS
<US-Male> unless he meant "when you go to get a job at McDopnalds"
<US-Male> -p
<Timur> blender: that dude has some issues
<blender_> yea
<blender_> he got mad at us for failing
<Timur> maybe he should try decaf
<blender_> he only wants kids who are good at coding
<blender_> already
<tweek> heh
<blender_> so he doesnt have to teach
<tweek> that's kinda funny
<Timur> lol
<blender_> i have a D so im not failing really
<US-Male> blender_: so he can sell your code ;P
<Timur> well, tell ya what
<tweek> 'doesn't have to teach' - err. not sure if I agree with this...
<US-Male> kidding.
<tweek> if you're taking AP CS, you should have *some* background.
<blender_> he doesn't teach us tweek
<Timur> when you graduate, and either go to college or work, he's still gonna be stuck there and still miserable or fired
<blender_> i do have background
<blender_> but im not a genius coder
<tweek> you're not Knuth's grandson?
<US-Male> I took a programming cl*** in college where the grad-student instructor cared only about the comments at the top of the code
<blender_> basically
<blender_> he hates everyone
<blender_> who doesnt have a p***ion
<blender_> for coding, like him
<Timur> Knuth Rockne, everybody's all-American
<occ2> heh
<US-Male> his coding wasn't very good but he took of major points for not commenting the code to his liking
<US-Male> of=off
<tweek> Donald Knuth, also known in CS circles as God
<tweek> US-Male: ****ing hated that.
<Timur> ah, ok
<blender_> yea, he takes off points
<tweek> US-Male: put up with that **** all the time in my early CS years...
<blender_> for no comments
<blender_> and for hanging brackets
<tweek> they'll take off points and **** because they can.
<US-Male> tweek yeah my code did exactly what it was supposed to but comments -- hell I think the language itself was as readable as English
<tweek> I hate comments
<tweek> but not just commenting, but comments.
<US-Male> hanging brackets I agree with, should lose a point or so
<tweek> they give extraneous information that isn't parsed.
<blender_> hehehe
<tweek> they serve to confuse.
<US-Male> I just hate commenting the code
<US-Male> it's jst me
<tweek> hanging brackets > *
<US-Male> maybe I misunderstand haning brackets
<US-Male> hanging
<tweek> foo() {
<tweek> return bar; }
<US-Male> yeah you need the even number of brackets
<tweek> anything less is a blasphemous misuse of whitespace.
<tortus> the cs is getting some competitoin from overseas. people in other continents can do it and send it over.
<tweek> and what the **** makes whitespace so damned appealing anyway?
<tortus> not like you just have to compete with people in your own town anymore
<tweek> tortus: perhaps code monkey-type stuff. at any rate, whine, *****.
<US-Male> I think high level languages are as "readable" as most IRC convos
<tweek> be the best or lose your job. that's the way it is :)
<tortus> its for sale, people buy it.
<tweek> US-Male obviously is unfamiliar with Perl
<US-Male> I am unfamiliar with Perl
<tweek> knew it
<tortus> you could move to india nad have a lower cost of living
<US-Male> but if it's cryptic then maybe add comments
<blender_> perfect i love malaria
<tweek> overheard at a recent Perl convention:
<US-Male> also, I think flowcharts are a waste of time unless the program is very complex
<tortus> well, that is what cost of living/standrd of living really means
<tweek> 'it has come to our attention that there are still as many as five printable characters that aren't being used for anything in our language.'
<tweek> 'we are thinking of ways to rectify this urgent situation'
<tortus> wait. flowcharts are cool
<tweek> with OOP, flowcharts are obsolete.
<US-Male> hehehe
<tweek> as well as ****ty.
<US-Male> flowcharts are good for Powerpoint ;P
<tortus> no. flowcharts are purty damn cool
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