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<Sakkath> Why am I getting all kinds of errors when I 'make'?
<Cdogg> why are you getting all those errors?
<Sakkath> I do not know.
<AndroSyn> well that depends on what the errors are
<Cdogg> it doesnt give a reason?
<Sakkath> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/sakkath/ircd-ratbox-2.1.7/help'
<Sakkath> make[1]: Nothing to be done for `build'.
<Sakkath> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/sakkath/ircd-ratbox-2.1.7/help'
<Sakkath> Similar ones also
<Sakkath> All referencing to `build'
<Cdogg> paste another one
<Sakkath> build ==> modules
<Sakkath> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/sakkath/ircd-ratbox-2.1.7/modules'
<Sakkath> make[1]: Nothing to be done for `build'.
<Sakkath> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/sakkath/ircd-ratbox-2.1.7/modules'
<Sakkath> build ==> adns
<AndroSyn> try doing a make clean
<Sakkath> k
<AndroSyn> it won't compile things if they've already been compiled
<AndroSyn> and don't need recompiled
<AndroSyn> or if there is nothing to compile in a directory, like say help
<Sakkath> My ./configure was ./configure --prefix="/home/sakkath/ratbox" --enable-ipv6
<Sakkath> ok I ran make clean and make distclean and re-ran configure, now trying to make
<Sakkath> So far it is working.
<AndroSyn> those aren't technically errors you were getting before though
<Sakkath> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/sakkath/ircd-ratbox-2.1.7/servlink'
<Sakkath> build ==> doc
<Sakkath> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/sakkath/ircd-ratbox-2.1.7/doc'
<Sakkath> make[1]: Nothing to be done for `build'.
<Sakkath> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/sakkath/ircd-ratbox-2.1.7/doc'
<Sakkath> build ==> help
<Sakkath> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/sakkath/ircd-ratbox-2.1.7/help'
<Sakkath> make[1]: Nothing to be done for `build'.
<Sakkath> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/sakkath/ircd-ratbox-2.1.7/help'
<Sakkath> Those are.
<AndroSyn> thats not an error
<AndroSyn> ignore those
<Sakkath> oh sweet
<Sakkath> lol
<AndroSyn> it means there is nothing for it to do..
<AndroSyn> if it was an error
<AndroSyn> make would have stopped
<Sakkath> Maybe you should have a message in the Makefile when done, like compilation complete
<Sakkath> lol
<Sakkath> I thought it halted.
<dougk_ff7> you'd see something like make[1]: **Stop (blah)
<Sakkath> Yeah
<Sakkath> True.
<AndroSyn> what you were getting before was that there was nothing for make to do in those directories at that stage of the build
<Cdogg> i didnt think i saw an error
<dougk_ff7> it's just the way automake works. I mean, someone could take the approach the Linux kernel has now... but um, why?
<Sakkath> Okay sorry.
<AndroSyn> Sakkath: its not a problem
<Sakkath> ok I installed
<AndroSyn> dougk_ff7: thats the way that make in general works ;)
<AndroSyn> not just automake
<dougk_ff7> heh, I'm not trying to insult you or anything... but yeah. I just find it funny what the Linux kernel people have done to hack it.
<dougk_ff7> AndroSyn: true.
<AndroSyn> well the linux kernel is a rather large project..
<jilles> it's GNU make
<dougk_ff7> yeah. still... wow, could that be almost any less productive? :D
<AndroSyn> and with a lot of things being done by different people
<dougk_ff7> yep
<AndroSyn> it makes a lot of sense
<jilles> with FreeBSD make it looks like this
<Sakkath> Does anyone want to be part of a network?
<jilles> build ==> modules
<jilles> build ==> adns
<Sakkath> Or is that just a complete bad question to ask here.
<dougk_ff7> I know. since 99% of people don't want to display all the garbage... and it'd just confuse them (take Sakkath's case for example)
<AndroSyn> dougk_ff7: you've not built a linux 2.6 tree then :P
<jilles> linux 2.6 hides all the compiler flags and such
<Sakkath> You guys should have more ops on a network like this.
<AndroSyn> in the channel here? a few ops are just fine
<Sakkath> I hope they are on different servers :P
<dougk_ff7> AndroSyn: actually, I'm talking about linux-2.6, and the way they beautified it.
<AndroSyn> all the ops in here are opers :P
<AndroSyn> well other than the bots
<dougk_ff7> opers + coders, obviously. smart people.
<Sakkath> Ah
<AndroSyn> but those are my bots anyways
<Sakkath> Well I kind of figured that
<Sakkath> Is ircd-ratbox and EFNet ***ociated in any other way besides it's the IRCd efnet uses?
<AndroSyn> the coders are opers
<Sakkath> Ah I see
<Sakkath> So this net basically "made" ircd-ratbox?
<dougk_ff7> and jilles is just a nice guy... and I think there aren't many more people in here I know now.
<Sakkath> As QuakeIRC made QuakeIRCd, well that's just a rip off of UnrealIRCd :P
<AndroSyn> ircd-ratbox was forked from ircd-hybrid with intentions of supporting efnet better
<Sakkath> A lot of IRCd's derive from hybrid :P
<dougk_ff7> also, it has the advantage of being a very lightweight ircd. :)
<AndroSyn> myself and fl were both on the hybrid team
<Sakkath> Awesome
<dougk_ff7> and a lot can even trace their roots back to the original ircd.
<AndroSyn> Sakkath: not really that awesome :P
<Sakkath> lol why not
<AndroSyn> politics
<Sakkath> lol
<Sakkath> I don't perfer ircd-ratbox, sorry, a friend just wanted to make a net with no services, and asked for my support :p
<dougk_ff7> the one ircd I can think of right now that isn't based on the original ircd was comstud's ircd, I think...
<Sakkath> I use unrealircd
<AndroSyn> well there are services for ircd-ratbox as well, depending on what you need
<Sakkath> Nah
<Sakkath> It's not just that
<Sakkath> I'm just used to unrealircd
<AndroSyn> there are ratbox-services which will give you chanserv and the like..
<Sakkath> And I'm content with it
<Sakkath> It has nothing to do with the services :P
<AndroSyn> and then there is openservices which gives you chanfix
<Sakkath> hehe
<Cdogg> anyone here used mysql for services?
<dougk_ff7> in what way? I know there have been various attempts by different projects...
<Sakkath> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/10/msg00154.html I'm having that problem on Gentoo. These are the only kind of things I dislike about Linux.
<Sakkath> Sorry, totally irrelevent to IRCd's but just saying.
<AndroSyn> using something other than sqlite for ratbox-services has been kicked around
<AndroSyn> no code for it yet though
<AndroSyn> Sakkath: just use regular su :P
<Sakkath> I have no clue how it changed
<Sakkath> emerge -NDu world probably
<Sakkath> I wish I knew how to go back
<Sakkath> o.o
<dougk_ff7> seriously, since most of the code is using SQL anyway, it shouldn't be terrible to implement (unless it uses the old hybserv-style "load everything and cache it"))
<jilles> atheme can do mysql/postgresql, but it's quite crude: it loads everything and caches it, then rewrites the tables periodically
<AndroSyn> Sakkath: have a look at /etc/login.defs
<AndroSyn> you've probably got some old crud left in there that is no longer supported
<dougk_ff7> yep... same with anope, and several others. problem probably boils down to what scales well.
<AndroSyn> well part of the problem is, most people don't know how to get mysql/postgresql to play nice with non-blocking network i/o
<jilles> the atheme philosophy is to avoid direct DB access by other programs, and instead let them communicate with atheme over XMLRPC
<jilles> actually, rserv is somewhat similar, with it's .userregister &c
<dougk_ff7> hrm, that WOULD be tricky, now that I think of it.
<jilles> except that's a DCC IRC command, not very "standard"
<AndroSyn> though rserv is like that more because sqlite can't be accessed by more than one user
<AndroSyn> anyways time for me to go home
<AndroSyn> bbl
<dougk_ff7> aww, have fun. (it's Friday, so party time!)
<Sakkath> AndroSyn: that's where all the problems are
<Sakkath> :|
<Sakkath> Says unkown MOTD_FILE
<Sakkath> it's listed as /etc/motd
<Sakkath> that's right O_O
<Sakkath> I don't see what's wrong with this file.
<Sakkath> I commented out all the problems and it appears to be fine.
<jilles> why did you have to comment out anything
<Sakkath> http://genpaste.pengu.in/display/962
<jilles> oh
<jilles> no idea, I don't use linux that much
<anjuta> humm, i got those errors once..
<anjuta> upgrading the system solved it
<Cdogg> i think that mysql would be good for storing user information
<Cdogg> very easy and fast to maintain
<anjuta> Cdogg, mm, i had once received from a guy on internet services written in perl with mysql :)
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