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<compdoc> if you want it secure, dont conenct it to the internet
<^-Lord-^> you shouldn't 'barebones' windows.
<drakman> Hey, anyone here know if there's a way to modify the "dell script" that comes with a new pc?
<^-Lord-^> you can't, that's called a mini-installer and it's created prior to the imaging of the computer
<Spizzo18> there was nlite and anothe rporgram?
<Spizzo18> thats sysprep though
<Spizzo18> but that has to be specific to the HAL
<Spizzo18> im trying to make an image that can conform to anything
<Azs> yeah GOOD luck
<Spizzo18> i know! :P
<Azs> why don't you stick to the systems YOU have and leave it at that.
<Spizzo18> this is for work
<Azs> so what
<Azs> still applies
<Spizzo18> you guys know where i can find any guides on installing xp pro on a machine for the corporate environment?
<Azs> hahahaha
<KSecDD> www.microsoft.com?
<Azs> you just killed any credibilty on your talents
<Azs> try the basic winPE site
<Spizzo18> i just want to compare with how ive installing xp on the machines
<Azs> heres the first clue. they all install the same..
<r0xoR> what's a good program for making an ISO image out of a CD?
<Azs> they USE a cd. OR if you had talent, you would know how to create an image . again FOR the systems your "corporate" environment use
<Spizzo18> well id thought id go through all alternatives
<Spizzo18> there might be some recommended reg settins to enter
<Azs> go talk to your "corp" admin
<Azs> he needs a good laugh
<square> Azs: where about in az you from
<square> ?
<lukeyb> i got this issue with windows xp, it does the loading startup screen - when it goes to bring up the welcome screen it resets the pc
<KSecDD> lukeyb: sounds like its BSODing
<anyweb> try it in safe mode
<Azs> and ask yourself WHAT did you last install
<lukeyb> well we did a fresh install
<lukeyb> probelm stayed
<lukeyb> safe mode same thing
<lukeyb> whats BSODing ?
<anyweb> blue screen
<anyweb> if you formatted and reinstalled and its doing the same then you may have bad ram
<lukeyb> hmm... i wonder what would cause it
<anyweb> or bad video card
<Azs> oh no a real NOOB
<lukeyb> bad ram
<anyweb> or bad anything
<lukeyb> tried two vid cards
<lukeyb> problem remained
<lukeyb> we got 2gb of ram in this 4 sticks gonna use only one
<Azs> and so you stopped
<Azs> so try the ram
<lukeyb> am now
<Azs> take ONE out,
<Azs> if it fails try the second stick etc
<lukeyb> k
<KSecDD> lukeyb: it completes setup fine but always BSODs after the first reboot? or did you get a chance to install stuff before it started BSODing on boot?
<bofh`> love when people say "clean install" meaning install, drivers, all their apps, etc
<Azs> you have 2gbs of ram , CAN the system take it ?
<KSecDD> bofh`: yeah :)
<lukeyb> reinstall was fine
<lukeyb> first reboot it died
<bofh`> Azs, was hoping you'd be one of ones dealing with power outage so we'd get some peace and quiet. ;)
<Azs> and HOW long has this 'ram' been installed? before it started ****ing up
<KSecDD> lukeyb: did you reformat when you reinstalled, or did you just install it over the top of an already dying OS?
<Azs> GENERATOR baby and my laptop
<bofh`> heh
<Azs> you got 24 hours THATS enough
<lukeyb> ram installed for over a year
<lukeyb> just started
<KSecDD> lukeyb: cos if you reformatted properly and then it starts BSODing the same way even without you installing any apps or other drivers, its almost certainly pooched hardware
<lukeyb> we rformatted
<lukeyb> thought so
<Azs> again HOW long has the ram been installed
<Azs> oh sorry
<bofh`> bah!
<lukeyb> k
<lukeyb> tried all the rams
<lukeyb> its not the ram not the video
<lukeyb> mobo ?
<KSecDD> it just started byt itself one day, just like that?
<lukeyb> ya
<compdoc> how old is the board and psu?
<lukeyb> 6 mos
<compdoc> ouch
<bofh`> you tested the ram, with something like memtest86, or you jsut tried each one individually
<bofh`> as swapping the ram is not the same as testing it
<lukeyb> hmm
<compdoc> you tried the ram one stick at a time?
<bofh`> ?? memtest
<CyberGeek> memtest == http://www.memtest86.com/ | http://oca.microsoft.com/en/windiag.asp <-- this will find the faults other tests wont.
<jediguy> when I have 2 Windows XP computers, and only one computer can see the other computer in the workgroup, and I can't copy files from one of the machines, but only from the other.
<KSecDD> jediguy: turn off the firewall
<^-Lord-^> shoulnd't have to
<^-Lord-^> in the workgroup you should still see it
<jediguy> KSecDD: I have turned off the firewall
<KSecDD> screw 'seeing' in the browse list sense. If one of them has its FW up, the other one wont be able to establish SMB sessions with it.
<jediguy> I have enabled guest accounts
<bofh`> network neighborhood == gay useless crap
<jediguy> ^-Lord-^: I have also enabled simple file sharing
<bofh`> blech
<^-Lord-^> disable simple file sharing
<KSecDD> and use the same username and p***word on both machines.
<bofh`> make the username on both test/test
<bofh`> and make sure there's no firewall in between you and the internet
<jediguy> there's no firewall
<jediguy> it worked before, I reinstalled the OS.
<KSecDD> jediguy: start | run | \\server\share <=== what do you get in response to that?
<KSecDD> where 'server' is the name of the other machine, and 'share' is ...
<Azs> imput YOUR infos for the \\server etc
<Azs> lol
<KSecDD> :)
<CyberGeek> &:-)
<jak2000> hi all
<Silverpil> is there anyone that got time to help me made a script / *.bat file that could auto change my ip and submask in my lan property??
<Silverpil> make
<jak2000> is SECURE build a vpn with windowsxp?
<KSecDD> Silverpil: netsh interface ip set address ...
<KSecDD> jak2000: I sure as hell hope so
<jak2000> use only windows xp,, or a 3d party sw ?
<Silverpil> KSecDD looking good! =)... a lot of thing to do here I see with that command netsh
<Night> Silverpil, sorry, been trying to deal with this Thunderbird problem of my own. :)
<Silverpil> =)... whats the wrong with the thunderbird (nice car)'
<jak2000> then?
<KSecDD> Silverpil: netsh is more of a framework than a single command, but its easily capable of doing what you want
<Night> Silverpil, it's the mail client giving me problems. :)
<pauliee> Hey i have 4 computers networked with router and dsl modem. I installed i.e. 7 on all computers windows legit. For some reason i'm not able to open "google.com" on all computers. Anyone know the reason for this? please any help would be appreciated.
<KSecDD> jak2000: xp does pptp and l2tp natively. The former is fine for 99% of applications, the latter is even higher security, albeit at the cost of higher overhead
<Silverpil> he he okej =)..... we could check it out later =) I comeback.. It would take me at least 1h before I will get thet netsh work nice if I should read everything about it =)
<KSecDD> pauliee: lol, that sounds like the evil MS marketing dept getting to code some bits of IE7 themselves :)
<jak2000> KSecDD, ok but by sample: OpenVpn generate a key of 128 bits, and ONLY the client that have it installed. can enter, windows does?
<pauliee> so nothing major? Should be working soon?
<KSecDD> jak2000: l2tp is a documented standard. Check it out if you're interested. 128-bit keys are pretty much de rigeur for that sort of thing nowadays.
<bofh`> l2tp behind nat "doesn't work"
<bofh`> meaning if you're smart and talented, you can make it work, but msot people in here, besides ops/+v, probably can't handle it
<KSecDD> lol
<bofh`> and if you don't have control of network on at least one side you can't make it work
<bofh`> ms, cisco and others all jsut say it doesn't work. as with any normal setup, it won't
<KSecDD> if you dont have control of your network, fire yourself
<bofh`> being encapsulated, no direction by ip etc until it's been decrypted again
<Ta1oN> l2tp/ipsec over nat does never work
<bofh`> lots of people vpn into work, and ahve no control over network. or like here, I have vpn conneciton to a couple of dclients
<Ta1oN> you need to specify a tunnel endpoint on the nat device, and then create a second tunnel from the nat device to it's target
<bofh`> Ta1oN, keep same subnets and subnet mask on each side with no redundant IPs
<Ta1oN> but you can't tunnel with l2tp over a nat device, technologically not possible
<bofh`> use vpn endpoint capable routers, to do a full site to site vpn
<Ta1oN> yeah, but that is still using an endpoint and creating a second tunnel
<Ta1oN> even if it is done transparently
<bofh`> did it before as a test. the issue is the fact full packet is encapsulated
<Ta1oN> pptp works over nat though
<bofh`> indeed, didn't say it wasn't, just said it was doable
<bofh`> yeah
<Ta1oN> without needing an endpoint
<bofh`> that's why most people just use pptp


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