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<phrakture> Risk
<tdoor^away> thanks
<ezech> lol
<ezech> my g/f teaches in elementary school
<ezech> and they need web site
<ezech> so she agreed to make one
<ezech> then in the middle of work, they changed concept
<ezech> then, in the middle of changing concept
<RedKennedy> tdoor^away: lux
<ezech> they added another html-programmer
<ezech> who made this page totaly javascript dependable :D
<stavrosg> :o
<lowercase> ezech: sounds really nice.
<phrakture> "html programmer"?
<lowercase> ezech: he sure will burn in hell
<ezech> it was simple "index + 4 html files"
<lowercase> surely
<ezech> phrakture: a person who writes html files, which are browsable in IE
<phrakture> yeah, no ****, thanks - by a web site designer is not, by definition, a "programmer", and most programmers take offense to it
<RedKennedy> i like when IE doesnt support stuff
<RedKennedy> heh
<ezech> phrakture: sorry that I offended you
<stonecrest> i'm an irc programmer
<Theoden> Man the arch servers ****.
<RedKennedy> web design doesn't take much brains.
<RedKennedy> yea
<phrakture> ezech: meh, it's just that, people start using "programmer" for people who make websites, I tell people I'm a programmer and they ***ume I make websites... when in fact, I do nothing of the sort
<ezech> phrakture: I just couldn't find better word, and website developer isn't apropriate neither
<lowercase> i tend to totally freak out when people say that html is a programming language
<RedKennedy> websites are for morons who dont want to browse files
<RedKennedy> as do it
<RedKennedy> i*
<phrakture> ezech: i usually say "web designer"
<tdoor^away> ich i got a *.jar file, how do i exec it?
<RedKennedy> it's nothing more than formatting
<tdoor^away> ich=if
<phrakture> it makes it seem more girly too 8)
<RedKennedy> heh
<stonecrest> i'm a html hacker
<lowercase> tdoor^away: java -jar file.jar? something like that
<RedKennedy> ^_^
<tdoor^away> lowercase: i'll try
<ezech> phrakture: it's hard to say "designer" when you speak of person, who doesn't have a clue of what he is doing
<lowercase> HAH
<msg43> arch server are dam slow again :'(
<lowercase> oh, let's see... javascript... sounds professional... and my site only works in ie, which is professional software... hrm... so that makes me a professional, too
<RedKennedy> hehe
<ezech> lowercase: for now, it doesn't work anywhere
<RedKennedy> i use lynx just to piss off people who waste their time on web formatting
<ezech> and nobody realy knows how it should look like even
<lowercase> RedKennedy: lynx is quite cool
<RedKennedy> ya
<RedKennedy> me favorite
<lowercase> but elinks kicks ***
<lowercase> i'm using conkeror besides elinks, but i somehow hate it...
<msg43> firefox all the way
<lowercase> well, conkeror is basically firefox...
<msg43> linky?
<ezech> dillo is nice, fast
<msg43> *link?
<lowercase> www.google.com
<RedKennedy> people are like "internet explorer doest work" and then some wannaba says "try firefox...it's undergroud" and somebody else says "naw...now that opera's free...i use that" and then some lin-noob says "konqeror owns j00" and i'm like "mine doesnt have pictures and ****. and it's faster than all yours"
<RedKennedy> dillo's cool
<RedKennedy> but has **** for supprot
<Shadowhand> hey now
<RedKennedy> support*
<lowercase> ezech: yeah, and with the i18n patch it can do tabs and all this cool stuff... but it screwes so often :/
<Shadowhand> i'm a website developer and designer
<Shadowhand> there's a difference here
<RedKennedy> i like using lynx and opening the images i want in feh
<RedKennedy> AOL shouldnt exist.
<lowercase> go tell steve case
<RedKennedy> people who think the internet is a GUI should kill themselves.
<Shadowhand> website developers are people who use languages other than html to create websites, ie: php, ruby, java, etc
<Theoden> Anyone know what's going on with the arch servers?
<RedKennedy> css is nice
<Shadowhand> website designers make what the website developers do look pretty
<Shadowhand> website designers are the people who do the (X)HTML and CSS
<Shadowhand> the developers do the backend part
<RedKennedy> yea
<RedKennedy> xml's fun
<msg43> is it possible to run MS 2003 in linux?
<Shadowhand> i love CSS, but XML ... eh
<Theoden> That's OK - I didn't want a ****ing answer anyway!
<Shadowhand> XHTML is the ****
<paces> night guys
<lowercase> hrm
<jMCg> yes!!! yes!!!!!!! my backup worked!!!!
<Shadowhand> HTML is like... '95 style
<jMCg> Shadowhand, it's not.
<RedKennedy> heh
<jMCg> O_o?!
<lowercase> html creation with wml or txt2tags rocks
<jMCg> wtf/!
<RedKennedy> does IE support css?
<RedKennedy> i dont think it does..
<msg43> RedKennedy, yes
<Shadowhand> RedKennedy, yes
<RedKennedy> damn
<Shadowhand> jMCg, what?!
<RedKennedy> i'm suprised
<msg43> is it possible to run MS 2003 in linux?
<Shadowhand> RedKennedy, badly, but it does
<RedKennedy> msg43: what's that?
<RedKennedy> like...MS Office?
<lowercase> msg43: maybe with a future version of crossover?
<Shadowhand> it has all kinds of crap tastical bugs that make my life as a webdesigner hell
<msg43> RedKennedy, I meant ms office
<RedKennedy> msg43: just use OO.o or KOffice
<Shadowhand> msg43, don't support the man, use OOo
<lowercase> USE TETEX YOU N00B
<msg43> Shadowhand, I'm trying to p***out of computer apps so I need access, execl, and powerpoint and OOo won't help me in this case
<RedKennedy> or Abiword...But not with arch...no matter what box i try it on...whether it's from pacman or source...with arch...abiword dies as soon as i type something in it
<lowercase> ;D
<RedKennedy> lowercase: word.
<msg43> RedKennedy, odd abiword works swell
<Shadowhand> RedKennedy, very odd indeed, it works for me too
<RedKennedy> hmm.
<Shadowhand> msg43, i see
<RedKennedy> does arch use cvs of abiword?
<Shadowhand> RedKennedy, nope
<RedKennedy> hmm.
<RedKennedy> maybe something else is ****y
<RedKennedy> i'll try compiling without the athlon64 build
<_blue> 16:17 < RedKennedy> hmm.
<_blue> 16:17 < RedKennedy> maybe something else is ****y
<_blue> lol.....
<_blue> msg43: why not install t in vmare....
<msg43> RedKennedy, do that to my school!
<jMCg> msg43, cat /etc/arch-release
<jMCg> Arch Linux 0.7.1 (Noodle)
<jMCg> thanks!
<jMCg> :P
<Shadowhand> WTF mine still says Wombat
<msg43> jMCg, yeah judd fixed it I asked on the mailing list
<_blue> Shadowhand: you EDIT the file...LOL
<msg43> Shadowhand, mirror might not be synced
<lowercase> hrm... Noodle... TASTY
<tdoor^away> mine too
<msg43> _blue, no I got judd to fix it
<jMCg> msg43, i know.
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