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<doc|home> any and all of them? :)
<doc|home> the number of **** websites is inversely proportional to the number which contains blogs
<JDigital> You mean proportional to
<doc|home> I do indeed, my bad
<Ahcoeur> yeah
<Ahcoeur> who make a counter with me
<Ahcoeur> i want to be counter terrorist
<schnoodles> hello does anyone know why on i.e. http://schnoodles.dyndns.org/Diverse-Hosting/V2/ the blinks (bottom footer) doesnt clear both of my float containers ? but it looks perfect on firefox ?
<doc|home> Ahcoeur: that was bad. very... very... bad :)
<Ahcoeur> ^^
<Ahcoeur> i know :=)
<doc|home> `css color
<RTFS> css color: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/colors.html#propdef-color
<JDigital> What's the best way to set font size nowadays
<doc|home> bah, why couldn't they have a "transparent" option for colour, then the element could stay in place and a background be visible but not the main text :(
<doc|home> JDigital: em
<JDigital> Entirely in em?
<doc|home> yup
<JDigital> Why em and not percent
<JDigital> and what of browsers where the default size is larger or smaller
<doc|home> the default browser size has been settled on at 16px
<doc|home> or atleast it was supposed to be
<JDigital> IE still shows the wrong size
<JDigital> IE's default is smaller.
<JDigital> so for a font to be the same size in IE as in Firefox/Opera, it must be set in pts or px or some absolute
<doc|home> if you expect everything to be in the exact spot you want it, you need to get a job in graphic design :)
<schnoodles> doc|home, do you have any idea why ie. would be doing that to my site ?
<JDigital> I just want it to look neat.
<JDigital> Sometimes, what looks neat in Opera or Firefox is awful in IE.
<Madpilot> JDigital: this is the 1st rule of modern web design: "IE ****s"
<doc|home> schnoodles: sorry, don't have IE on this machine :/
<JDigital> But the second rule is, "...and we have to support it anyway."
<JDigital> That's also annoying, I don't have IE on this machine to test pages
<JDigital> of course the advantage is that I don't have to have Windows :)
<doc|home> hehehe
<Madpilot> JDigital: likewise... I haven't gotten around to installing WINE & IE yet
<schnoodles> oh ok thats ok
<schnoodles> from the code could you see anything wrong
<schnoodles> like i have 2 floats
<schnoodles> the in one float i have more floats
<schnoodles> so i have a clear: both in the float with many floats
<doc|home> `float clear
<RTFS> float clear: www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html , www.quirksmode.org/css/clearing.html , www.complexspiral.com/publications/containing-floats/
<schnoodles> and a clear: both outside of both the floats
<doc|home> </random guess>
<schnoodles> and i dont think IE likes it :\
<doc|home> what's happening?
<Pos3idon> hello
<Pos3idon> I can't seem to validate my css could someone help please - the site is www.mcville.net
<doc|home> Pos3idon: your question is already being answered in #web
<Pos3idon> yeah but that is xhtml
<Pos3idon> this is css right?
<doc|home> !css http://www.mcville.net
<doc|home> no problem there
<Pos3idon> hm i'm getting a erron
<Pos3idon> *error
<doc|home> !css http://www.mcville.net
<doc|home> not on the css you're not :)
<Madpilot> !html http://www.mcville.net
<doc|home> well that's a whole different thing, which he is getting answered in #web
<Madpilot> just curious...
<schnoodles> doc|home, want me to show you s/s of what it looks like ?
<doc|home> if you like
<JDigital> I wonder what I should do with my website.
<Dalkus> JDigital, I can see? I don't believe I've seen it before
<JDigital> It's too ugly for me to just leave it as it is
<JDigital> http://www.jonnydigital.com
<JDigital> you may need to up the font size to make it readable, hehe
<JDigital> state of the art 2001 design here
<Dalkus> hehe :)
<JDigital> !validate http://www.jonnydigital.com
<schnoodles> ok top one is firefox bottom one is IE
<schnoodles> http://schnoodles.dyndns.org/Diverse-Hosting/V2/error.PNG
<Dalkus> font's good. You could always do the "go look at a hundred pretty websites" inspiration thing. That really helps me cook up a design
<schnoodles> firefox is the way i need it to be
<Madpilot> wow... I do believe that's the least-valid HTML anyone's every dared show in here!
<JDigital> FlamingFoo found a huge page with a thousand
<Madpilot> I missed that one, I guess
<JDigital> I look at CSS Zen Garden for inspiration, but all it does is make me sad that my websites are never that pretty.
<schnoodles> doc|home, see the HUGE problem :P
<doc|home> schnoodles: validated?
<schnoodles> !validate http://schnoodles.dyndns.org/Diverse-Hosting/V2/
<schnoodles> pretty sure its both valid
<doc|home> hmmm
<doc|home> I've no idea :/
<schnoodles> yeah ive never seen anything like that
<Dalkus> JDigital, well, have you considerd drawing out your website how you wish it could be, then working out how to achieve that? (Like, on paper, and then in an imaging software package?)
<Madpilot> need sleep... later, all
<Dalkus> It's much easier to create more beautiful designs that way
<schnoodles> only thing i can think of is that I.E. cant handle both of the clear:both; 's ?
<JDigital> I'm not even sure what I want on my website. It started pre-1999 just as my own personal website for adding random things to and ranting about stuff, and I never really thought of where I was going with it or why.
<Dalkus> Easy way out would be to make a tutorial site? Teaches you alot, teachers others alot, and gives you something to design to
<JDigital> Good thinking.
<JDigital> I really liked Joe Barta's PageTutor, but it's somewhat out of date now.
<Dalkus> So make the new, updated JDigital's PageTutor :d
<schnoodles> yay fixed the error :)
<Dalkus> congrats, schnoodles
<schnoodles> another of those stupid height: 1%; fixes :\
<schnoodles> although its like height: 1%; line-height: 26px; :\
<JDigital> I wonder what to do with all of these legacy pages, though.
<Dalkus> well, you can have them as a personal section or something?
<JDigital> I s'pose.
<Dalkus> or hell, have two websites
<Dalkus> I plan on having three of four on differnt subjects
<Dalkus> and a main website linking them together
<JDigital> I've thought of having another website, but I prefer having just one because it has a nice google pagerank.
<JDigital> and I already own three web domains
<Dalkus> Fair enough
<JDigital> It's just the logistics of organising all the old content and whatever new content, and how and what should be on the front page of the site, that's giving me a headache.
<JDigital> Well, not a headache.
<Dalkus> You could make a simple CMS in perl? (I do that, didn't take long to learn how - and now I have an extra skill)
<Dalkus> And extra confidence, of course
<Dalkus> (It's not as scary as it sounds :))
<JDigital> I've been making simple CMSs in PHP all year :)
<Dalkus> lol oh sorry
<Dalkus> code up a nice CMS then, it's geeky and solves that problem
<JDigital> I'm just baffled as to where to put everything.
<JDigital> No point in managing the content if I don't know where to manage it to
<Dalkus> What about starting from scratch, and just reusing the text? Draw out a structured plan on paper as to what goes where
<JDigital> That's my general plan so far.
<Dalkus> Keep me posted if you start to work on it? :)
<JDigital> I wonder what the design should b.e
<JDigital> be.
<Dalkus> That's the hardest part for me. I just get paper out and draw, then see what happens. I keep doing that, changing this and that
<Dalkus> and I tend to end up content
<Dalkus> then I draw it up in inkscape, slice it up into strips and chuck up the css/xhtml
<Dalkus> thats how I made http://ah.homelinux.org which I like immensly
<Dalkus> I'd never have been able to be so free in what I choose otherwise
<JDigital> Niiice.
<Dalkus> It's just the technique, before that I found it really hard to create a design that I liked
<Dalkus> I tend to have to use nested divs too often, though
<DjViper> Dalkus: nice, no tablelayout
<JDigital> Nested divs are often a requirement for layout, I find
<Dalkus> DjViper, of course ;D
<JDigital> I'm often impressed when I go to a site and get a FOUC and it's not tabled
<Dalkus> JDigital, that's the way I see it, and AFIK it dosn't create accesibility issues?
<JDigital> It doesn't?
<Dalkus> I hope not - I've not read it anywhere, but I've been encouraged not to use nested divs in the past
<Dalkus> I'm not sure as to why
<JDigital> It simplifies things to do so. I tend to have, for example, a wrapper div that goes around the entire page, then I do a margin: 0 auto; on that
<JDigital> then inside that I have maybe my two columns as float
<JDigital> s
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