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<annma> No_name: so what do you want me to change?
<No_name> annma: nothing!!!
<annma> ah, ok then
<annma> I thought you wanted me to commit a fix
<No_name> u do what ur want, if u dont want kdenetwork working, its up to u
<jaqob> problems again... I tries to autostart thunderbird on desktop 6. I use a bashscript with "kstart --desktop 6 thunderbird" in the autostartfolder. If i execute the script manually, thunderbird starts correctly, at desktop 6, but when i start kde, it ends up on desktop 1...
<annma> well I thought you complained here for a reason
<jorgp_laptop> annma: how is kde4 coming?
<annma> it's in no shape at the moemnt
<annma> I mean, there's nothing new
<No_name> annma: does dir /kopete/ui exists? no it doesnt, so whats the problem to fix it?
<No_name> now i have more things to do, nite
<jorgp_laptop> I would image qt4 conversion will take a while yet
<annma> bye
<No_name> annma: im noe kde developer to commit fixes, but ur one and dont want to fix kdenetwork, awesome
<annma> I ask you the fix
<No_name> its in ur front
<annma> whatever, you are never happy
<annma> yes yes
<No_name> just open makdefile and fix it
<annma> it is indeed
<annma> yes yes yes
<annma> God! help me!
<No_name> good nite all
<PhilOut> I come for the user support, I stay for the comedy idiot entertainment :-)
<annma> well in fact he is right
<annma> there is a build problem
<annma> I just came upon it as I am building from scratch today
<strike4ce> Anyone know about installing ati drivers?
<Sho_> strike4ce: rivanews has a comprehensive how-to on their websites
<strike4ce> is that ati and does that work with kubuntu kde?
<PhilOut> strike4ce: graphics card stuff is handled by X, not KDE, so if X supports it, KDE will
<PhilOut> best to ask in #xorg or #yourdistro
<strike4ce> Sho_: what is the riva website address?
<Sho_> strike4ce: Uh, actually I mis-remembered ... it was Rage3D: http://www.rage3d.com/content/articles/atilinuxhowto/
<sobersabre> guys is qt4 already stable ? is there any kde build on top of it ?
<strike4ce> Sho_: thanx ill try that
<Sho_> sobersabre: Yes, Qt4 is stable. No, KDE is not there yet.
<willwork4foo> evenin
<schloob> anyone know if it's possible to get widgets (buttons, scrollbars, text boxes) to always use the default KDE style and not styles specified in CSS
<schloob> in konqueor*
<schloob> konqueror*
<fanti> i've some trouble with my ati driver regarding too big fonts! i got an hint to fix it " You can probably fix it by editing /etc/kde3/kdm/Xservers and adding the -dpi 100 or -dpi 75 option as appropriate" but i've no Xservers file there?
<fanti> see: http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-archive/msg00863.html
<humbolt> is it normal that kmail performs extreamly bad with mdir mailboxes with several 1000 mails, the kind you have when you are subscribed to a mailing list?
<oGALAXYo> uhm
<oGALAXYo> how many 1000 mails ?
<slicslak> humbolt, kmail can access mdir directly? or are you talking about imap?
<slicslak> i have 14000 in a folder in tb, it seems to do ok.
<humbolt> 7500 mails in in kmail stored in a maildir folder on a brand new laptop
<slicslak> anyone familar with how to use cddb.org w/ kaudiocreator? freedb.org appears to be down. :-(
<humbolt> it acts completely wired
<oGALAXYo> humbolt: please install hdparm
<humbolt> I have it installed and I have a sata disk anyway
<oGALAXYo> what kde version ?
<humbolt> DMA: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5
<humbolt> 3.4.3
<oGALAXYo> hmm strange..
<humbolt> when I access the folder, it takes about 3 seconds to show the first mail
<humbolt> and the same, when I change to another mail
<humbolt> actually it seems to take quite some time in folders with just a few messages to
<oGALAXYo> no, thats not right.
<slicslak> how fast is your new laptop? how much ram?
<oGALAXYo> humbolt: i think i know one problem
<humbolt> the worst thing happens if I try to search over those emails
<oGALAXYo> humbolt: please open a terminal and enter 'top'
<oGALAXYo> maybe something is eating CPU
<humbolt> yes, kontakt is eating cpu
<oGALAXYo> how much
<humbolt> if I change into the 7500 mails folder ... all
<oGALAXYo> try killing its process and run kmail directly..
<oGALAXYo> and wtch top
<humbolt> and switching to the app of course takes endless
<humbolt> ok, I try kmail directly
<oGALAXYo> and watch top
<humbolt> smae thing
<oGALAXYo> can you do some performace measures with your hd ?
<humbolt> same thing starting kmail directly
<humbolt> how
<humbolt> it boots up pretty fast
<oGALAXYo> hdparm -t /dev/device
<oGALAXYo> both
<fanti> any ideas about that font problem? http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-archive/msg00859.html
<humbolt> Timing buffered disk reads: 108 MB in 3.04 seconds = 35.56 MB/sec
<canllaith> Mine only manages 20 and kmail performs well.
<humbolt> Timing cached reads: 2632 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1314.89 MB/sec
<humbolt> Might ext3 be the problem
<humbolt> or ****ing atime??
<oGALAXYo> dunno
<oGALAXYo> for me my emails show up instantly.
<fanti> hmm
<oGALAXYo> <--- XFS
<canllaith> but.. how much better? Would I notice the difference on ext3? No clue.
<oGALAXYo> i dont trust reiser.
<oGALAXYo> i had too often lost data..
<humbolt> hmm, it changed now
<oGALAXYo> corrupt files that sneaked on my system without me noticing.
<humbolt> do not know why
<oGALAXYo> humbolt: can you test this
<canllaith> Works for me for the last 2 years so *shrug*
<humbolt> test what?
<oGALAXYo> humbolt: hdparm /dev/device
<oGALAXYo> and give us the results
<oGALAXYo> post it to http://rafb.net/paste
<humbolt> 16 bit readonly off, readahead 356
<humbolt> 256
<oGALAXYo> see and there is the problem
<oGALAXYo> IO_Support should be 32bit
<oGALAXYo> and using_dma should be 1
<oGALAXYo> IO_Support = 1 (32-bit)
<oGALAXYo> using_dma = 1 (on)
<oGALAXYo> these are important
<oGALAXYo> otherwise your system crawls
<roadfish`> I noticed that KDE has power control features in the Control Center. Sometimes my desktop PC does an auto-power-off. Is there something in KDE that could be causing this poweroff?
<humbolt> I have ubuntu, they do that by default. DMA seems to be enabled and however, suddenly it works quite well. I do not know why.
<humbolt> But I will try 32 bit
<humbolt> http://rafb.net/paste/results/1ZT8Gx40.html
<oGALAXYo> hdparm -qc 1 /dev/device
<oGALAXYo> try this
<humbolt> http://rafb.net/paste/results/OAQ7eh33.html
<oGALAXYo> hdparm -qd 1 /dev/device
<oGALAXYo> that too
<humbolt> HDIO_SET_32BIT failed: Invalid argument
<oGALAXYo> ok
<humbolt> hdparm -c1 /dev/sda
<humbolt> HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
<oGALAXYo> humbolt: i have the impression that you need to check up your kernel config
<humbolt> I guess sata is udma by default
<oGALAXYo> for DMA and 32bit
<oGALAXYo> and that it supports the correct controler..
<humbolt> ubuntu standard kernel
<oGALAXYo> maybe its some generic drive configuration.
<oGALAXYo> but i can promise you that you are missing 32bit
<oGALAXYo> and that probably DMA support is not enabled..
<humbolt> see, it is working now. suddenly. and I did not change anything
<oGALAXYo> due to generic driver code..
<oGALAXYo> humbolt: i see.. but ok, just in case it happens again and you notice other strange things.. you know what to check.
<humbolt> now it is slow again
<humbolt> maybe laptop mode is enabled and the hdd was spinned down?!
<oGALAXYo> dunno
<oGALAXYo> i best guess is still the drive config in your kernel ...
<humbolt> I doubt it has any thing to do with neither dma nor 32 bit
<oGALAXYo> its some generic stuff.
<oGALAXYo> but i believe it is.
<humbolt> 32 bit does not make a big difference and dma is enabled
<oGALAXYo> it does
<humbolt> IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801FBM (ICH6M) SATA Controller (rev 03)


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