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<SuN> I might try it, never realized it was so mature.
<Sho_> SuN: And XChat is a shameless aMirc clone ... what's your point?
<SuN> Hm, Xchat is not a mirc clone :)
<oGALAXYo> ahh someone who knows ye good olde amirc :)
<SuN> And it being an Xchat clone is good :)
<Sho_> SuN: I said "aMirc", not "Mirc"
<SuN> Oh, aMurc
<SuN> aMIRC!
<oGALAXYo> SuN: he said amirc
<SuN> Doh
<SuN> Sorry :)
<oGALAXYo> the good old amiga irc client.
<oGALAXYo> from vapor ware
<Sho_> SuN: And being a Konversation developer, I can ***ure you we're not actively copying XChat
<SuN> Sho_: and you shouldn't :)
<oGALAXYo> http://www.vapor.com/amirc/
<Sho_> that said, XChat does some things well.
<oGALAXYo> http://www.vapor.com/screens/amirc_2.gif
<oGALAXYo> thats how amirc looks
<SuN> I like Xchat's tab layout, but its menus are awful.
<SuN> That looks very similar indeed.
<Sho_> see :-)
<oGALAXYo> i already consider konvi to be better than xchat in plenty areas
<oGALAXYo> only issues i had with it was the recent change to kconfigxt which caused a bit mess with settings.
<|boot|> kvirc is the most great irc client ^)
<SuN> |boot|: what's good about it?
<oGALAXYo> http://snews.vim.hu/images/200101/os4/c06-amirc.png amirc on amiga OS 4
<Doktoreas> Sho_: i'll ceck don't go away
<|boot|> nice gui, many abilities
<Sho_> I don't like KVirc very much, personally. The UI is rather busy, and the author has chosen to reimplement a lot of UI by himself instead of using kdelibs, so it's inconsistent with KDE in many places (he maintains a Windows version, too).
<Sho_> But it has a number of advanced features that Konversation lacks.
<Doktoreas> Sho_:
<Doktoreas> http://rafb.net/paste/results/Wk1Yt757.html
<|boot|> maybe it inconsistent with KDE but works good in KDE
<SuN> I'll try both.
<SuN> Last time I tried kvirc it was rather immature, but that was a _long_ time ago.
<SuN> Might even have been in the KDE 2.x era.
<|boot|> and with kvirc i haven't troubles with cyrrilic display
<Sho_> Doktoreas: Hmm, try setting those values higher ...
<Doktoreas> all?
<Sho_> Doktoreas: Well, connection timeout and idle timeout
<Sho_> |boot|: Have you filed a bug on your problems with cyrillic display?
<SuperLag> Is there any keystroke to switch from one desktop to another? or are you stuck with the mouse?
<SuN> Let's see how well Konversation's configure script handles a 32bit/64bit hybrid system.
<SuN> Wee, it found /usr/lib64
<Thorrn4> hello everyone! Can someone here help me?! I installed GNOME earlier (and kept kdm) and I rebooted my computer to log back into it; now it wont load either (I instaled gdm, and kdm wouldnt load, and I reinstalled gdm, but it still didnt load) (I am using Simply Mepis -- based on Debian unstable)
<SuN> Does Konversation have session management like Xchat?
<frb> It has bookmarks, dunno about saving sessions
<SuN> Hm, I'll have to find out.
<SuN> Thorrn4: any useful errors?
<oGALAXYo> Thorrn4: try irc.gimp.net #gnome
<Thorrn4> SuN, i think that it said "gdm is not set up correctly"
<sredna> Hm, the flashing is back in kicker :(
<PhilRod> SuperLag: Ctrl+Tab or Ctrl+F<n> where <n> is the desktop number
<SuperLag> PhilRod: thank you, sir
<SuN> Thorrn4: hm, I'm not familiar with Simply Mepis' startup files, but I'm guessing it has one for the session manager.
<|boot|> <Sho_> don't know. it was long time ago, when i was began used linux and i don't know is that wrer bugs or i didn't had experience
<SuN> In there you can simply change it back to kdm.\
<Thorrn4> SuN, neither of them will boot
<|boot|> after i tried use a few irc clients, i founr kvirc is good for me
<|boot|> *found
<SuN> |boot|: does kvirc have session management?
<SuN> Weird, 2 "session management" threads mixed up.
<SuN> :)
<|boot|> what do you mean in "session managment"?
<Thorrn4> brb
<SuN> |boot|: in Xchat, when I start it, it automatically connects to the servers and channels I've set.
<|boot|> i don't know. I don't use many features in kvirc
<SuN> Heh
<SuN> And you just told us it has so many.
<stupelxc> konversation has an option to automatically connect to a server on startup. An in server configs, you can choose auto login channels.
<Sho_> SuN: You can chose what servers to connect to on startup, yes
<|boot|> i don't have time to see features, i jusk like kvirc look :)
<Sho_> SuN: Other than that, you can bookmark servers and channels, and in the future, you will be able to open an entire bookmarks folder at once, so you can set up a session that way
<sredna> Yay!! http://83.73.149.229:8002/katesessionmenu.png
<Sun|K> Wee
<Sun|K> Hm, these text colors need some work :)
<pinotree> sredna: wow, what a... fancy desktop :)
<sredna> Lol
<sredna> Is it the wrong image?
<SuN> Hm, no tint transparency... though I guess I might as well just use a background image.
<|boot|> nice fonts on screen
<Sun|K> Huge window decs though, heh.
<Sun|K> And I don't imagine your resolution is much higher than mine.
<sredna> pinotree: The cool thing is definately the menu
<Sho_> SuN: We don't like hackish translucency
<aseigo> sredna: heh. nice
<sredna> aseigo: Ty :)
<sredna> It's actually very simple
<sredna> But cool, if you use kate a log
<sredna> Lot
<SuN> A wallpaper stretching feature would be nice though :)
<Sun|K> But I might grow to like this.
<sredna> Sun|K: If you are referring to KDE it is there
<SuN> Nah, Konversation.
<sredna> aseigo: The flowing informtion tips that comes when one adds an extension is cool - with such cool stuff, people might want to add extensions all the time ;)
<aseigo> sredna: lol
<Sho_> Sun: My favorite gimmick: When you have logging enabled and open a query, it will show the backlog of a previous query in tab
<SuN> That's nice indeed.
<Sho_> aseigo: Perhaps the vast majority of cell phone users ***ociates speaker phone functionality with Steven Spielberg's "Hook"
<Sho_> aseigo: Seems like as good an explanation as any, anyway
<pinotree> apt: seen el
<aseigo> no, this is an old fashoined land line
<Kwarq> pinotree, el (n=konversa@messe-254-246.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE) was last seen quitting #kde 6 days 7 hours 47 minutes ago (22.10. 06:45) stating "Remote closed the connection" after spending 1 minute there.
<pinotree> apt: seen eln
<apt> el <n=konversa@p54BC8C40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #kde, 9d 10h 45m 57s ago, saying: 'ok :)'.
<Kwarq> apt, el (n=konversa@messe-254-246.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE) was last seen quitting #kde 6 days 7 hours 47 minutes ago (22.10. 06:45) stating "Remote closed the connection" after spending 1 minute there.
<apt> pinotree: i haven't seen 'eln'
<Kwarq> pinotree, eln (n=konversa@p54BC9D92.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) was last seen quitting #kde 2 hours 58 minutes ago (28.10. 11:34) stating "Remote closed the connection" after spending 7 hours 37 minutes there.
<mae> does SVN really p*** the acid2 test?
<pinotree> mae: yep
<aseigo> mae: it does here, yes
<|boot|> anybody know how to redirect compiler output in Kate? i've create an entry in Configure ->External tools like this: cd %directory && g++ %filename .Can i direct output messages to built-in treminal?
<|boot|> (Kate 2.3.2)
<mae> nice.
<mae> safari p***ed it yes?
<mae> FF and konq 3.4 both do a horrible job, even FF 1.5b2
<Sho_> mae: Konqueror has been p***ing it for many weeks now
<Sun|K> Sho_: can the distanc between the timestamp and the actual text be changed in Konversation?
<mae> very nice.
<Sun|K> Wow, Konversation's tab completion is a lot less clueless than Xchat's :)
<mae> does 3.5 have the gnomish auto-magic hal features?
<Sho_> SuN: No, but a next-gen ircview widget with more sophisticated layout capabilities is in the works
<pinotree> mae: even kde 3.4 has them
<Sun|K> Alright, nice.
<Sun|K> Xchat's tab completion is really silly, somehow they thought it a good idea to just randomly guess if there are multiple possible matches.
<Sho_> :)
<Sun|K> It NEVER gets the right nick, it's almost as if there's some form of AI trying to be counterproductive.
<Sho_> our tab completion still has some limitations (no channel names, no commands), but that's being worked on, too
<mae> yeah - konv is nice :)
<SuN> So far it looks like a very nice replacement for Xchat (at least for me), but I'll be looking forward to that ircview widget, it's rather messy as it is now.
<PhilRod> Sun|K: I think you've found their secret :-)
<mae> is gstreamer supposed to be as good at playing 'weird' codec vids as xine or mplayer in the future?
<PhilRod> mae: see if there's a #gstreamer or maybe #gnome
<mae> PhilRod: kde is going to start using gstreamer -- its not just a gnome thing.
<PhilRod> mae: I know, but gstreamer isn't developed by KDE - you're more likely to get an answer in some other channel
<zreisman> dumb question here
<zreisman> how do I check my IP in KDE
<Gentle> uhm, I wouldn't know of a KDE app for that, I'd use ifconfig
<ponto> zreisman: start konsole and type ifconfig
<USMarine> how can i make the taskbar rise when a tray icon flashes?
<sk4j7d0h0fem> I have heard that in Konqueror I can pick which engine to use KHTML or Opera's is that true
<Gentle> news to me
<annma> sk4j7d0h0fem: no, that's not true
<annma> Opera is not free for once
<Gentle> annma, Opera is free as of 2 weeks ago
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