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<hyc> won't know until I'm in the middle of it....
<pfn> indeed
<JoBbZ> well, it'll make debian happy :P
<JoBbZ> then maybe they'll keep their damn distro up to date :P
<podzap> lol
<podzap> i wish debian would just go away :-)
<pfn> debian refuses to use openssl eh
<podzap> i think knoppix is the only useful thing that ever came from debian, but that's just my opinion.
<podzap> hey, i noticed today that the freebsd.org website finally got a facelift! first time in more than 5 years :-)
<SimonRaven> JoBbZ: this is why i make my own .debs =;)
<JoBbZ> podzap: we use debian for most all of our production systems, because we have had just too many problems with RedHat :P
<JoBbZ> and that works very very well
<JoBbZ> in fact, our policy is to use debian everywhere unless the applications absolutely require redhat
<podzap> my policy would be to use freebsd everywhere unless the application absolutely required java
<podzap> :-)
<podzap> java support on freebsd is a shame
<podzap> e.g. it doesn't make much sense to try to run JBoss on FBSD
<podzap> but you can do it if you jump through big hoops
<JoBbZ> heh
<richm> NSS is nice because 1) it is FIPS 140-1 certified, and soon to be FIPS 140-2 2) has full support for PKCS11 devices as opposed to the openssl piecemeal support 3) doesn't have the licensing issues of openssl
<podzap> only negative point is that it is still somehow encumbered by export control
<podzap> not supposed to deploy it to e.g. syria, iran, north korea, etc
<JoBbZ> that's okie, the US will invade them soon :P
<podzap> which is sort of ridiculous, considering that the source is already public!
<podzap> what stops a north korean from wgetting the nss source tarball from mozilla.org? :-)
<richm> podzap: I don't really know. Is there even a click through license or "I Agree" sort of page?
<podzap> richm: no. but still, you guys put it on the FDS downloads...
<podzap> which i don't understand...
<richm> Put what/
<richm> ?
<podzap> export control notice
<richm> Because FDS includes NSS.
<podzap> right, but you can download NSS source directly without any sort of agreement
<richm> Right, but a company cannot _distribute_ it to a customer. It's all very legally confusing.
<richm> I don't suppose there are any export restrictions for downloading firefox?
<richm> Since firefox includes NSS?
<podzap> aha, there is an export notice in the NSS FTP directory
<richm> Probably to protect mozilla.org
<podzap> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/security/nss/releases/
<podzap> however, if i give you a link to:
<podzap> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/security/nss/releases/NSS_3_10_RTM/src/
<podzap> there is no export notice
<podzap> firefox is on mirrors all over the world, probably even in iran
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