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<brianr_> ah, thanks
<brianr_> pjb: thanks for your input
<pjb> So it works now?
<brianr_> seems to, I havent played too much with it yet.
<brianr_> I also liked the use of array-dimension, I did not know about it
<brianr_> I'm not only quite new to xlib, but also to lisp :-]
<pjb> Luis G Lopez posted a few beginner xlib programs on c.l.l these last months.
<brianr_> pjb: that's where I got my xlib stuff ;-)
<dnm> Xach: ping
<Xach> dan "n" moniz! pong
<Xach> dnm: what's up?
<fe[nl]ix> does lispbox contain emacs21 or emacs22 ?
<ayrnieu> neither, if you get the no-emacs lispbox
<tcr> Who got the longest REPL buffer? Mine is 3269 lines big. 8)
<mommer> 145187
<mommer> it's been a long day.
<lukego> 4 here. :-)
<tcr> Umm, now that's big. How much memory does your emacs process consume, mommer?
<mommer> tcr: how do I find out?
<mommer> 4.4% of 1 gig, I think.
<runenes> It seems that emacs/slime hangs when cmucl does its "Commencing GC with...". Have anyone else seen this, or have I messed up badly here?
<stesch> mommer: Sunday is longer
<stesch> mommer: 1 hour
<mommer> you can find out by putting (setf *top-level-auto-declare* nil *gc-verbose* nil) in a file called .cmucl-init)
<tcr> runenes: Yea, I do see that regularly, too.
<mommer> yes. Sunday is going to be another day of long buffers.
<runenes> i did do that, and it haven't crashed yet.. thanks mommer
<Xach> yo salex
<salex> hey Xach
<salex> how goes?
<Xach> not bad.
<Xach> i was pleasantly surprised that i already wrote something i thought i would need to write.
<salex> cool!
<salex> i'm trying to decide if I can afford to go have a few haloween beers tonight, or need to stay here editing :)
<Xach> plenty o' time!
<salex> well, s/beer/bourbon/ but you get the idea
<salex> Xach: what, between now and monday morning? not so much, really :)
<Xach> i can't go anywhere because my wife is 39 of 40 weeks through pregnancy. *somebody* has to party on my behalf.
<salex> ah, well then. well then. that's different. I may have to make the sacrifice
<salex> it's only a dissertation :)
<stbain> congrats, Xach
<salex> (by which i mean, i'm down to the annoying edits)
<salex> Xach: we'll have to get virtual cigars ordered for next week, I guess!
<Xach> hmm, anyone here read turkish?
<stbain> read, yes... comprehend, no
<mejja> <OT> Italian laboratory clones 14 perl programmers http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4386510.stm
<stesch> Half of the search results for "cl-wiki" are turkish ... :-}
<salex> Xach: did you try babelfish?
<stesch> oops. and it's mentioned there, too.
<Xach> hmm, nope
<lukego> Xach: weird that for some ESR quotes I see the text and for others I just see [Image]. seems to be deterministic with respect to the text in the caption
<Xach> lukego: weird.
<lukego> http://wigflip.com/ds/text?pl=kjGARt5xrY8OStAz what is the caption in this one?
<lukego> oh, now I see it. scratch that deterministic theory :)
<Xach> "learn lisp; don't use it!"
<Xach> hmm, no turkish in babelfish
<lukego> bluescreen. I need to liberate myself from windows.
<Xach> heh
<Xach> i wouldn't discount that i'm writing a weird GIF
<Xach> i am adding possibly spurious animation info
<pjb> This webapp is funny. http://wigflip.com/ds/text?pl=b3nhXQ5XOaugwOiz
<salex> oh great, tetex seems to be messed up on my mac
<salex> erm, at least certain fonts
<stesch> With 2.4% the Turks are the second largest ethnic group in Germany, after Germans. And yet I've missed it to learn some Turkish. I can just say good-bye.
<salex> stesch: distribution counts too though, otherwise a lot more canadians would speak some french
<tcr> Xach: I'm not sure what operasyona could mean in this context (it certainly has something to do with operating et al), I think the rest means something like "Any geek is familiar with Lisp".
<flowtech> hm. http://www.tranexp.com:2000/Translate/result.shtml translates the phrase to "operation lisp conversant one of them necessary"
<salex> Xach: is this 1st child due in a week?
<lukego> sad eurofact: the people are quite rude in the non-EU-citizens terminal when you fly into Stockholm from Turkey
<salex> lukego: :(
<lukego> s/terminal/queue/
<lukego> last time they were making the people explain in excessive detail why they were coming and reprimading them for their poor english. (admittedly this was just one person who was in earshot)
<lukego> on the plus side at least Turkish people are really nice if you visit them from sweden :)
<pjb> If you respect the charia, Turkish people are really nice, yet.
<lukego> charia?
<lukego> NB: it is really important to be nice to Turks since they will all be dead from lung cancer soon :)
<pjb> The muslim law
<pjb> No. Soon they'll be in Europe or, should I rather say Europe will be in Turkey, as per the democratic rule of majority.
<slyrus> "islamic" law. muslim is a follower of islam.
<pjb> all right.
<salex> not to mention the number of interpretations....
<disumu> Xach: i think it says "Nonetheless, Xach is doing some fun things with Common Lisp programming dynamic images." and in the picture "Even operation lisp needs one" (meaning the gun?)
<stesch> (eighth (multiple-value-list (get-decoded-time)))
<stesch> T
<runenes> Emacs + SLIME + cmucl seems to crash / hang terribly often. Is the solution switching to SBCL?
<azu> stesch, (nth-value 7 (get-decoded-time))
<lukego> runenes: what kind of crash?
<jsnell> 01:54 < runenes> It seems that emacs/slime hangs when cmucl does its "Commencing GC with...". Have anyone else seen this, or have I messed up badly here?
<jsnell> presumably
<runenes> two kinds: (a) it freezes so that I have to xkill it. (b) the REPL, after hitting enter to eval a form, never returns. both seems to be related to GC'ing, but all is fine when using cmucl standalone..
<Xach> salex: yep
<disumu> Xach: actually, seeing that this person has written about your images before, instead of nonetheless it would be "again"
<disumu> as in Xach's at it again...
<Xophe> evening
<enigmus> is CFFI considered usable in real life?
<slyrus> hey Xophe
<dsteuber> "A proper logo effort needs to start with an analysis of intended target
<dsteuber> audience."
<dsteuber> Any seafunc goers here?
<kreuter> evening, #lisp. is there a bot here that knows ppc asm?
<piso> I believe there is
<pjb> ppc ld
<specbot> Load Double Word: http://www.nersc.gov/vendor_docs/ibm/asm/ld.htm#idx510 http://www.nersc.gov/vendor_docs/ibm/asm/ld.htm#idx511
<kreuter> sweet! where's it doing the lookups?
<kreuter> ppc ba
<specbot> Sorry, I couldn't find anything for ba.
<kreuter> drat
<kreuter> is there any difference between the read macros #+foo and #!+foo ?
<pjb> clhs #!
<specbot> http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_dh.htm
<pjb> #! is undefined.
<kreuter> hm.
<pjb> If your program doesn't install a reader macro, it will be an error.
<kreuter> okay
<pjb> #! is specifically reserved for user programs.
<kreuter> right. it's used in sbcl internals, evidently for the same purpose as #+/-
<kreuter> thank you, however.
<jsnell> not quite the same purpose. #+ / #- work based on the features of the host lisp while #!+ and #!- use the features of the lisp that's being built
<kreuter> yeah, I just tracked that down, in shebang.lisp. premature question-asking on my part.
<kreuter> :)
<Xach> disumu: thanks!
<kreuter> can anybody explain or point me at some explanation of the control stacks that exist in SBCL on ppc? there's the number stack, the lisp control stack... any others?
<brianr_> clhs bit
<specbot> http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/a_bit.htm
<brianr_> clhs shift
<specbot> Sorry, I couldn't find anything for shift.
<dsteuber> clhs ash
<specbot> http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_ash.htm
<brianr_> dsteuber: thanks
<dsteuber> np
<Xach> brx: connection trouble?
<brx> Xach: yes.
<kreuter> is there any format-fu for printing a character at the end of a line just before a pretty-printer induced newline?
<kreuter> ?
<Xach> I made a button.
<Xach> I am easily filled with love and joy.
<kreuter> hehe
<Xach> http://www.xach.com/tmp/button.png is it
<kreuter> nice font
<Xach> it is silkscreen from jason kottke
<brianr_> I'm running sbcl with threads (on amd64, linux). Since I started using threaded sbcl, my silme debugger seems to be giving an awefull lot less usefull information--a lot of "foreign function: ...". Is there a way to remedy this?
<brianr_> heh, aside from running non-threaded sbcl
<slyrus> what's up with the "jsnell: world rocker" post?
<Xach> jsnell is awesome
<Xach> he makes things go fast and not crash
<Xach> plus, he's finnish!
<slava> anybody familiar with openmcl's interface database?
<Xach> gbyers probably knows a bit
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