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<HoseBeast> Dare I ask how Solaris compares with FreeBSD?
<gman> begins with an s rather than f
<Stric> equal length
<HoseBeast> :)
<richlowe> solaris is easier to type while drunk.
<gman> fewer number of capital letters, clearly inferior
<jamesd> freeBSD has more capital letters
<gman> speaking of which..
<HoseBeast> Ok. Now that that's settled. XChat or *****X?
<JuLan> xchat :)
<Stric> both contain an X, c, h and t
<jamesd> xchat... *****X is too *****y
<Stric> irssi if you want a text mode thing.. bx is just crap
<Gman> works well with xchat
<jafari> hello all
<jafari> anyone feel like helping me with postfix
<Stric> maybe
<HoseBeast> First - xchat or *****x?
<Stric> HoseBeast: none, irssi :)
<HoseBeast> Right. Or irssi.
<Stric> unless you like random segfaults, not coping with multiple irc networks etc..
<HoseBeast> I'll have to try irssi.
<Stric> xchat if you want graphical, irssi if you want text.. I suppose.
<HoseBeast> Text > graphical
<jafari> $sudo svcadm enable lrc:/etc/rc3_d/S88cswcourier-imap
<jafari> svcadm: Operation not supported for legacy service 'lrc:/etc/rc3_d/S88cswcourier-imap'
<jafari> why is that
<Stric> (xchat-text was a joke last time I tried)
<Stric> jafari: /etc/init.d/cswcourier-imap start
<HoseBeast> Curious, any Sun people here?
<Gman> no
<Tpenta> why do you ask?
<Tpenta> mmmm nocaffeine exception handled
<HoseBeast> simple curiosity. didn't know if any Sun employees worked on IRC
<Tpenta> there are a few of us keep a window open here
<jamesd> the sun is exceptionally bright... and they hope the same is true of its people
<HoseBeast> Rock.
<HoseBeast> Tpenta, how long have you been hacking on the kernel?
<richlowe> Gman: now I read your post to desktop-discuss about it, byp***ing request-sponsor does seem like a good idea, by the way. :)
<Gman> richlowe, yeah, seriously.
<Gman> when we get an SCM up and running, i'm going to make it real easy for people to get accounts and commit straight back
<richlowe> well, request-sponsor (for O/N) seems more useful in that situation that now, honestly.
<richlowe> since there's so little you can do outside, a sponsor ends up doing (it seems like) most of the work anyway.
<Gman> i think ON is generally more complicated in that way
<richlowe> well, as it stands, test suites have to be run for you, and everything after that point. So it effectively is the normal "post a patch and wait to see what happens" method, but with a longer wait.
<richlowe> with an SCM and things accessible it'd make sense, since Sun's model is... not what most of us are used to, and guidance would be very much needed.
<Gman> richlowe, it'll be interesting to see how that develops
<Gman> since i see al is pushing for the more familiar approach in terms of a development model
<Gman> s/al/roy/
<nprice> how much RAM should i provision on a machine for each JDS session that will be running?
<Gman> which to me is more interesting, unless sun specifically veto all internal branches [unless you get an exception]
<Gman> nprice, hrm, think it's 256
<nprice> not as bad as I though
<nprice> thought
<jafari> what command do i issue
<jafari> to see the whole proces
<nprice> i'm sure with staroffice running it'll jump up there a bit
<Gman> nprice, that's minimum though i guess
<jafari> seem like ps -elf
<jafari> doesnt show all
<jafari> 0 S root 745 1 0 40 20 d55a1348 246 d5638e40 19:28:16 ? 0:00 /opt/csw/sbin/courierlogger -pid=/o
<jafari> it cuts there
<Tpenta> HoseBeast: sorry, away doing real work. Hacking the kernel only for a few years, hacking code in general, probably about 20
<Err> I wouldn't have less than 512MB for JDS, since you're probably going to run things other than the desktop :-)
<nprice> Gman, maybe you'll have some ideas - I'm trying to build a small terminal server for maybe 10 users on a VERY tight budget and i need to set up something that's well integrated and easy to use, like JDS. memory footprint is the main issue right now, although i've been considering just setting up an N1 grid
<Gman> hrm, there's bits in JDS that have a relatively large footprint though
<Gman> at least right now :/
<nprice> well gnome itself is quite the memory hog
<Gman> its doable, but you probably need to be clever about the theme you're running, backdrops, etc etc
<Gman> yeah, we have a conf next month to fix some of those issues
<Gman> and we're bringing in the big guns from ON :)
<nprice> :D
<nprice> i was thinking of just skinning FVWM to look like windows xp
<Gman> looked at xfce?
<nprice> yeah i know XFCE
<nprice> it's an option
<Gman> or avoiding gnome-session if you don't need session management
<Gman> and starting things directly
<nprice> hmm
<nprice> is gnome-session that bad?
<Gman> probably not, but does increase startup
<Gman> another thing you could do is disable nautilus
<Gman> if you were looking for a kiosk style setup
<Gman> depends i guess on your target set of users
<Fish> good bye
<hell> anyone know when i try to live upgrade sol 3/05 sparc to sol express b24 .. when i do luupgrade -u -n solenv2 -s /cd1 it says "the media product tools installation directory /cd1/Solaris_11/Tools/Boot/usr/sbin/install.d/install_config does not exist"
<hell> says it doesnt contain an OS upgrade image but i've done this before and never had these problems
<elektronkind> nprice: there's always TWM
<nprice> haha
<nprice> i think jamesd provided some insight
<nprice> once the shared libraries have been loaded for one user they will not be reloaded for each user
<elektronkind> that
<elektronkind> that's one of the spiffinesses of so's
<Gman> man, i'm finding myself miss colorls
<IvanR_> nprice: You take a look at the output from "pmap -x <pid>".
<Gman> s/miss/missing
<jamesd> Gman, the problem with it, is that it doesn't adjust.. same colors if black background or white background so its quite easy to find it to be a major pain
<Gman> jamesd, yeah, true
<Gman> but it's nice to have a visual indication of files vs directories
<IvanR_> It'll show you the total memory used by the process, with the "Anon" column being the non-shared memory.
<richlowe> Gman: ls -F :)
<Gman> and whatever combination of bash/cd i'm using, 'cd [tab]' lists the entire directory contents, rather than just the directories
<Gman> richlowe, pfft :)
<nprice> i'll remember that
<IvanR_> Gman: Is there a way to tell how along "pkgtool build" is, ie packages built & installed vs. packages remaining?
<Gman> IvanR_, hrm, not currently i don't think
<laca> IvanR_: if you use the --report some_file.html option, it'll keep it up-to-date as the build goes
<Gman> oh, forgot about the report stuff
<IvanR_> Ok, I'll try that next time. I was just taking a peek at /jds/packages/PKGMAPS/pkginfo vs /jds/packages/PKGS
<laca> IvanR_: another thing you can do is run "pkgtool -q build-order *.spec" in another terminal
<Gman> we could probably set the window title, or prompt or something
<laca> yeah, good idea
<Gman> [Building 1 of X]
<IvanR_> I got bored waiting for SUNWmozilla to finish, and was hoping it's getting close to the end.
<Gman> yeah, sorry about that
<Gman> mozilla shouldn't have been there - that was a screwup on our side
<IvanR_> Ah, no problem. My build machine is slow anyway, so it should finish building sometime this week. ;)
<b_52GM> could someone print his path please i crash mine
<b_52GM> please forgive me.... no mather what i do ....
<b_52GM> is there someone !
<Gman> what's the question?
<Gman> my path while i'm using JDS is '/usr/bin:/usr/X11/bin:/usr/openwin/bin' currently
<jlc> x86 Platform - Solaris Express - Community Release
<jlc> does the cd's include 64bit procs too?
<jlc> does it detect and install for what you have?
<jamesd> yes
<jlc> I ***umed so but wanted to make sure
<b_52GM> Gman, could someone print his PATH ?
<b_52GM> is it possible
<b_52GM> ok
<b_52GM> thanks
<b_52GM> but i run on solaris 10
<b_52GM> so
<b_52GM> :)
<jlc> somebody has been hitting the sauce
<b_52GM> :)
<b_52GM> not me
<jlc> do you want some bodys path?
<delewis> $ echo $PATH
<delewis> /usr/bin:/etc:/usr/ccs/bin:/usr/dt/bin:/usr/openwin/bin:/opt/SUNWspro/bin:/usr/sfw/bin:/opt/sfw/bin:/usr/local/bin:/opt/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/bin:/opt/sfw/teTeX/bin/sparc-sun-solaris2.9:/usr/local/xloadimage
<delewis> that's generally what I use, b_52GM
<delewis> of course, some of that you probably don't need.
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