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<gr00ber> ah, tried sat once... hell of a latency
<bbls> cable is way much better
<NoorulIslaam> bbls we have cable
<NoorulIslaam> i just said up there...
<bbls> i mean net over cable
<gr00ber> huh?
<NoorulIslaam> yes net over cable
<gr00ber> lol
<NoorulIslaam> we have it :P
<variable> bbls: why visas expensive? or just alot of red tape?
<gr00ber> bbls must be drunk :)
<NoorulIslaam> lol
<bbls> variable no, because you can't really get visa to US from any country that is non-first world
<gr00ber> oh, visum
<variable> ah
<bbls> variable otherwise 3/4 of world apply for US visa :)
<bbls> so basically there is no change of ever getting it
<gr00ber> I apply for Amazon Visa :-)
<bbls> *chance
<NoorulIslaam> the US isnt all its hyped up to be
<variable> aye, ya too bad
<bbls> NoorulIslaam what do you mean?
<gr00ber> been to US a few times... nice country in general
<bbls> heh, germany will do fine
<bbls> gr00ber from where you are?
<gr00ber> norway
<NoorulIslaam> bbls well the whole freedom thing is overrated
<bbls> in what way is nice?
<NoorulIslaam> and freedom of the press, thats a total joke
<bbls> NoorulIslaam what do you mean by that?
<variable> in what respect, compare us to mexico
<gr00ber> bbls, in many ways. Like the burgers.
<bbls> ah, well here is worse :) so us can be only better :)
<bbls> gr00ber :)
<gr00ber> They are incredibly big.
<variable> press here if anything has total freedom, maybe too much
<NoorulIslaam> they only print what they like, have very one sided views, and make the US seem like the entire world
<bbls> variable why is the press all democratic?
<bbls> NoorulIslaam ah, this is something i ovserved very often, they can't realise there is something outside US borders :)
<gr00ber> NoorulIslaam, there are exceptions to that. find NY times to be US critical at times
<variable> not all, but alot, but thats fine, maybe what bothers me is that people beleive everything they read
<NoorulIslaam> gr00ber yes i know
<gr00ber> CNN blows, though
<bbls> variable really? here nobody belives anything :)
<gr00ber> bbls, where is that?
<bbls> romania
<gr00ber> oh, I believe in bird flu
<variable> bbls: thats good to a certain expect
<variable> but to a certain extent it kindof prevents people from getting anywhere
<bbls> variable we were so used not to belive in communist propaganda, that now we don't belive even in democratic press
<gr00ber> bbls, Romania... is that the country with the fishing-loving president?
<bbls> variable :)
<bbls> gr00ber no, he was cargo ship captain :)
<gr00ber> heh
<bbls> seaman :)
<gr00ber> Uhm, I think I read a book by "Ana Romania" once
<gr00ber> nice
<bbls> what it wrote about?
<gr00ber> about poverty
<variable> gr00ber where u from?
<gr00ber> I'm a viking
<bbls> ah, quite a lot
<bbls> of poverty here
<gr00ber> yes
<NoorulIslaam> gr00ber u must be tall
<bbls> but it's relative
<gr00ber> NoorulIslaam, why?
<bbls> i mean everyone has a cell phone :)
<irCuBiC> another viking? =p
<gr00ber> oh
<gr00ber> bbls, but can you afford using it?
<NoorulIslaam> gr00ber all westerners are...and the more northern they are, the taller they are, except the eskimos
<bbls> yes we have 3 here
<gr00ber> NoorulIslaam, true
<NoorulIslaam> bbls lol same here poverty everywhere...but then u get beggars that are "plz give us some money god will reward my son" then *ring ring* "one min gotta take this call"
<gr00ber> Eskimos are of asian decent
<bbls> NoorulIslaam :) here too
<variable> lol
<bbls> cell phone is really cheap
<bbls> like 4$/month
<NoorulIslaam> gr00ber ppl take asian to mean people with flat faces, which isnt true actually
<gr00ber> no, DNA-vise
<NoorulIslaam> asia includes the middle east and the indian subcontinent
<variable> na i dont
<gr00ber> sure
<NoorulIslaam> gr00ber yeah i know, but i was just saying...
<variable> and russia
<NoorulIslaam> u say asian to ppl, and they think "japanese" or "chinese"
<gr00ber> yes, I'm aware.
<NoorulIslaam> atleast i think most americans think that way
<NoorulIslaam> cant say for europeans
<gr00ber> we are more sane
<bbls> hmm, europeans also think
<variable> maybe in texas its like that
<gr00ber> :)
<bbls> about SE asia
<bbls> but not about india or pakistan
<gr00ber> GNU/Asia
<bbls> India is used here for that area
<NoorulIslaam> bbls SE asia *IS* india or pakistan
<gr00ber> Anyway... we don't have poverty at all here, but people aren't happier either. Money isn't everyhing.
<NoorulIslaam> SW asia is the middle east
<bbls> well it's thailand and malayesia :)
<variable> gr00ber, well at least they arent starving
<NoorulIslaam> thats like east asia
<bbls> here there are two main probblems: corruption & incompetent politicians
<variable> na thats se
<NoorulIslaam> bbls same prob in pakistan
<gr00ber> variable, yes, just saying that craving for money for happiness gets you nowhere
<bbls> curruption=everywhere you have to pay, even for public services you have to pay the civil servant (ileggaly obviously)
<NoorulIslaam> and bangladesh which split off from pakistan in 1971, is ranked the 2nd most corrupt country in the world
<gr00ber> now?
<bbls> basicalyl all public services work in a sort of unofficial company mode :)
<NoorulIslaam> bbls its the exact same way in pakistan :P
<variable> isnt bandladesh the poorest country in the world?
<NoorulIslaam> gr00ber looking for bangladesh? its on the eastern side of india
<variable> its to the east of india
<gr00ber> found it
<NoorulIslaam> no thats some african country
<NoorulIslaam> but bangladesh is close
<bbls> one problem here is too many people retired
<gr00ber> What time zone is pakistan?
<NoorulIslaam> they shouldnt have split from pakistan despite the problems they were having
<gr00ber> +6?
<NoorulIslaam> its only gotten worse for them...
<NoorulIslaam> +5
<gr00ber> ok
<NoorulIslaam> india is +5:30
<NoorulIslaam> and bangladesh +6
<variable> ya, i head alot of europe is having problems with old age(not all americans are unknowing of outside world :))
<gr00ber> so, you state up late or get up early? :-)
<NoorulIslaam> variable ur american? where from?
<gr00ber> stay
<NoorulIslaam> gr00ber um, both :P
<gr00ber> lol
<variable> illinois
<NoorulIslaam> my sleep cycle varies
<bbls> like 3:1 ratio, that means 3 retired for 1 worker
<gr00ber> NoorulIslaam, same here. I have insomnia on irregular basis.
<variable> bbls: ouch
<NoorulIslaam> a few weeks back, i was sleeping the day and staying up at night
<gr00ber> yeah
<bbls> variable population shrinking
<gr00ber> NoorulIslaam, is Pakistan 100% islam?
<variable> bbls: people dont die like they used to
<bbls> variable :))
<variable> gr00ber: no place is 100% anything
<NoorulIslaam> gr00ber no, more like 99%. we have christians, hindus, and sikhs as well
<gr00ber> variable, not true
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