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<mmiikkee12> http://www.nondot.org/sabre/os/files/Disk/HD_PORTS.asm
<geist> well, those are th ports you would use to talk to a controller, yes
<mmiikkee12> ok...
<geist> this is likely to be pretty hard, since you probably have never written a driver before
<mmiikkee12> nope
<geist> dont read ***embly
<geist> find some better example out there
<mmiikkee12> something tells me i'm going to need more i/ functions
<mmiikkee12> *i/o
<geist> eh?
<bbls> can anyone point it's browser to my IP? http://81.180.7.4
<geist> nope
<geist> can't contact host
<bbls> hmm
<mmiikkee12> timed out
<bbls> try now
<geist> nope, same
<bbls> hmm, ok thx
<mmiikkee12> i found one that looks good but it needs a peekb and probably some others if i read more
<mmiikkee12> http://www.nondot.org/sabre/os/files/Disk/IDEInterrogate.zip
<geist> have you written drivres for the keyboard yet?
<mmiikkee12> yes
<geist> using interrupts?
<mmiikkee12> i can type stuff...
<mmiikkee12> yes
<geist> okay, so you have a little bit of experience then
<mmiikkee12> is the ide controller on an irq also?
<geist> es
<geist> yes
<mmiikkee12> (ints and irqs are the same right?)
<geist> what's confusing is there are like 10 different versions of the controllers
<geist> but generally speaking they're all backwards compatible with the "original" one
<geist> so you can treat it like a cl***ic slow controller that you access via in/out and it *should* work
<mmiikkee12> ok...
<geist> note that floppy disk controllers are entirely different
<geist> different driver
<mmiikkee12> um...
<mmiikkee12> which one's easier to write?
<geist> probably the floppy
<geist> if anything just because it's been done a million times
<bbls> ah?
<geist> and it's easier to test
<mmiikkee12> ok, i'll start with floppy code
<mmiikkee12> plus it boots from a floppy so :P
<geist> plus I've written a floppy driver so I know a little more about that
<geist> http://newos.org/WebSVN/filedetails.php?repname=NewOS&path=%2Fnewos%2Fkernel%2Faddons%2Fdev%2Fdisk%2Ffloppy%2Ffloppy.c&rev=0&sc=0
<air> geist: do u still use gentoo?
<geist> sure
<dr_evil> morning geist
<geist> howdy dr_evil
<air> u know how to make ls sort using the old way?
<geist> what is the old way?
<geist> also I ***ume you read the man page and all that?
<air> a recent change has made it ignore periods and underscores when sorting
<mmiikkee12> >>#tuxtalk
<geist> it should be the same ls from fileutils that most other distros use
<joew***on> apt-get install debian
<mmiikkee12> :P
<mmiikkee12> rm -Rf / (jk)
<air> geist: run `ls -la` in your home dir
<geist> done
<air> are the hidden files mixed around with normal files?
<geist> nope
<air> are u up to date?
<geist> yup
<air> grr
<wobster> 5.2.1?
<geist> just updated last night
<geist> hmm, interesting.
<geist> ls is in two different packages it seems
<geist> fileutils-4.1.11-r1
<geist> and coreutils-5.2.1-r6
<geist> "equery b ls" told me that
<air> u have fileutils installed?
<geist> yes, but I also have coreutils installed
<mmiikkee12> how do you get a linux system *without* fileutils?
<air> gentoo replaced it long ago with coreutils for me
<mmiikkee12> wait, i'm thiking about coreutils
<geist> hmm, maybe I should undo fileutils
<geist> this particular installation is at least 2-3 years old
<mmiikkee12> go to #tuxtalk, this is an osdev channel :P
<geist> but anyway, on my other gentoo machine it only has coreutils
<geist> but it has the same behavior
<geist> okay, just removed fileutils to no ill effect
<air> hrm
<wobster> what a tragedy!
<geist> mmiikkee12: dude, shut p
<mmiikkee12> ok...
<geist> we're not taking over the channel
<wobster> were bottomhalves a linux-invention or did some BSD already implemented them before?
<geist> sometimes off topic stuff pops up, but computer stuff somewhat related to oses are about as non-offtopic as you can get
<geist> and sometimes it spawns interesting conversations
<geist> plus air and I own this channel. :)
<mmiikkee12> :P
<geist> wobster: good question. my guess is lots of other systems use something similar, but it's called something else
<air> :)
<mmiikkee12> explains making hot plasmas in microwaves...
<geist> I think the modern bsds use interrupt thread,s and I know solaris does
<geist> on NT you can do a bunch of processing in DPCs
<geist> which are used heavily in the kernel
<wobster> hum. ok. Ill have a little research-session then
<alphakiller> geist ! :D
<alphakiller> long time
<alphakiller> hehee
<geist> sup alphakiller!
<mmiikkee12> anyway. how do i read a file from a floppy with inportb and outportb?
<alphakiller> I've got my os working on playstation 2
<alphakiller> :D
<alphakiller> hehehe
<geist> mmiikkee12: well, it's certainly more complicated that can be described on an irc channel
<alphakiller> that's all my news :D
<alphakiller> hehe
<geist> but there are lots of floppy docs
<alphakiller> and yours ?
<wobster> mmiikkee12, that won't work that easily. you'll need several processing-layers to do so
<alphakiller> what's up geist ?
<geist> alphakiller: not much. I work at apple now, been hacking on an arm emulator on the side, workig on a little microkernel for kicks
<alphakiller> wow
<alphakiller> apple !? hehehe
<alphakiller> microkernel for apple ?
<geist> no, for kicks
<mmp> geist: sorry if disturbing; what is 'kicks'? little microkernel for bootstrapping?
<geist> hence not for work
<alphakiller> oh ;)
<mmp> :-)
<geist> ah textutils have been rolled into coreutils as well
<alphakiller> man, I'm a bit bored
<alphakiller> seems I'll not find a job on Brazil
<alphakiller> :(
<alphakiller> (on this area)
<geist> mmp: no, just for fun
<alphakiller> I should move to the US, or kind of
<alphakiller> ..
<geist> yeah
<mmp> :-)
<mmp> geist: well, if I'll be once able to to microkernel just for fun, I'llbe quite happy man:-)
<geist> keep working
<geist> I had to debug the emulator again last night., couple of subtle bugs
<geist> and got hit by the tertiary operator precidence thing again
<geist> here's the offending line
<geist> result = a + b + get_condition(PSR_CC_CARRY) ? 1 : 0;
<air> alphakiller: get a work visa to live up here and lots of companies will hire u for a lot less than they would pay americans ;)
<geist> why the tertiary operator is incredibly low in precidence I dont know
<alphakiller> air: I don't mind ... my pleasure is to work
<alphakiller> hehehe
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