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<ijchain> <suchenwi> I thought La-Alif is about the only mandatory ligature, hundreds more being optional for fonts...
<ijchain> <suchenwi> s/La/Lam
<ijchain> <kbk> I see *something* - but whatever it is, it doesn't look like lam-alif. But I don't have much use for Arabic, so perhaps my fonts are messed up.
<ijchain> <miguel> i see something too, but I wouldn't know a lam-alif from a weisswurst anyway
<davidw> ahhahha
<ijchain> <suchenwi> See the whiteboard for my ugly handwriting (but checked with Arab textbook)
<ijchain> <miguel> looks like a circle?
<ijchain> <Cameron> http://www.iht.com/bin/print_ipub.php?file=/articles/2005/10/23/business/tv24.php
<ijchain> <miguel> looks like a weisswurst? :D
<ijchain> <Cameron> That was for David--just a geographically-pertinent distraction.
<ijchain> <Cameron> davidw, that is, not Kroc.
<davidw> ugh... yeah, Italian laws = mess, add in berlusconi and it's just worse
<ijchain> <kbk> seen lam-alif meem - \ufdf8 ?
<ijchain> <Cameron> It sounds Fellini-esque. Oh. That's probably for a reason.
<ijchain> <kbk> no, \ufdf5, \ufdf8 is was-salaam.
<davidw> I do have to hand it to berlusconi though - he built *his* Tv empire by skirting the existing heavy-handed rules that forbade any non-state TV stations
<davidw> any national non-state TV, I mean
<davidw> he got a bunch of local stations to broadcast his programming at the same time
<ijchain> <miguel> kbk: how valuable would it be IYO to reduce (significantly) the Var struct, at the cost of adding some complexity?
<ijchain> <kbk> miguel - I need to go afk for 20 min or so, can we talk then?
<ijchain> <miguel> Currently a Var is 2i6p (2 ints and 6 pointers), I can get it down to 1i1p for compiled vars, 2i2p for others (including array elems), 2i4p for traced or searched variables
<ijchain> <miguel> oh - sure. Just trying to decide if it is worth it
<davidw> question on documentation: man Tcl_GetIndexFromObj
<davidw> .AP "const void" *structTablePtr in
<davidw> An array of arbitrary type, typically some \fBstruct\fP type.
<davidw> The first member of the structure must be a null-terminated string.
<davidw> the *first* member?!
<ijchain> <miguel> are you confusing GetIndexFromObj with GetIndexFromObjStruct params?
<ijchain> <miguel> GIFO takes tablePtr, not structTablePtr
<ijchain> <miguel> |o|
<davidw> hrm
<davidw> yeah, never mind me, I'm tired today
<davidw> I need a good sleep:-(
<ijchain> <kbk> ?
<ijchain> <miguel> got a few mins now?
<ijchain> <kbk> yeah ... I'm finding performance too hard to predict lately.
<ijchain> <kbk> It is appearing that Tcl's performance is limited by L2 cache locality, so it's conceivable that shrinking the size of *anything* might help... with the caveat that Var's, like Tcl_Obj's, are strewn all over memory...
<ijchain> <kbk> ... so locality might not improve.
<|Lurch|> kbk: curious question - how did you arrive at this conclusion? [what profiling tool(s)]
<ijchain> <miguel> well - the local vars are alloced all together, so reducing them from 2i6p to 1i1p will improve locality
<ijchain> <miguel> (that part is implemented and running on wcodes-branch, but I don't know its perf impact)
<ijchain> <kbk> Lurch - I said "appearing" - based on the fact that there are cases where inlining code into TEBC has slowed it down, despite having fewer instructions executed.
<|Lurch|> kbk: have you seen / tried cachegrind/callgrind?
<ijchain> <kbk> Lurch : No - I've not gotten really deeply into analyzing this, yet. We've not really begun the performance round on 8.5; still concentrating on getting the functionality right.
<ijchain> <miguel> (wcodes does not use the 2i2p part, it fits all ns variables in 2i4p by (mis)using the Tcl_Obj allocator)
<ijchain> <miguel> the mem fooprint impact can be considerable for apps that use many variables and/or large arrays
<ijchain> <kbk> Ugh, I remember that bit. An abuse, if perhaps a forgivable one.
<|Lurch|> kbk: if indeed your testcases are causing conflict behavior in L2, cachegrind should be able to show it to you, as well as point you to the most offending code fragments.
<ijchain> <miguel> yes, I am a subversive. First I hijacked the execStack (from pure Tcl_Obj* to whatever-I-may-need, then the special allocator from Tcl_Obj to 2i4p-sized-chunks)
<ijchain> <kbk> Lurch - We're so aggressively multiplatform that I'm not sure how helpful that'll be; optimize for one box, and mess up another. In any case, we've not really started the performance round, as I said.
<Merwin> Jeff Hobs is not here ? grmbl :-(
<ijchain> <suchenwi> He's busy with the Portland Tcler meteing, I suppose
<ijchain> <kbk> Merwin: You're going to find most of the regulars gone; the Tcl conference in Portland is this week. (I couldn't go, dammit...)
<|Lurch|> kbk: no doubt platform makes a difference - but you made a claim about performance / L2 coverage, so I figured I would suggest a helpful tool.
<ijchain> <suchenwi> Here in the chat are all the left-at-homers... :}
<ijchain> <kbk> Lurch - Thanks, and I'll keep it in mind for later.
<Merwin> kbk, i'm going to hollidays after tomorow...
<ijchain> <suchenwi> "aggressively multiplatform" - another nice attribute for Tcl :D
<Merwin> i'm sad becouse there isno conference or meeting in other country
<Merwin> (Frence for example lol)
<Merwin> *France
<ijchain> <suchenwi> European Tclers meet at FOSDEM, which is once a year in Bruxelles
<Merwin> hum !
<ijchain> <kbk> Merwin - EuroTcl was in Belgium this year...
<ijchain> <schlenk> EuroTcl was near Cologne, but many Tcl
<Setok> merwin: I've been suggesting some meeting in Finland for years now, but there doesn't seem much interest
<Merwin> finland... it's cold :)
<ijchain> <schlenk> Tcl'ers met at FOSDEM, which was in Belgium
<Setok> not in the summer it's not
<Setok> many people think finland is like ice all year
<Setok> in the summer it's warmer than the UK
<Merwin> the problem is that, even at FOSDEM, i can imagine that everybody speaks english no ,
<Setok> like it or not, english is the default international language
<Setok> even inside europe
<Merwin> Setok: i know that, but there is a differnce between read a doc and discuss with somebody !
<Setok> true
<Setok> but people seem to manage
<Merwin> morever, it's a technical language... and there is many english accent -i suppose- in these conferences!
<Setok> there have been some french guys at the eurotcl meetings too
<Merwin> yes, Kroc :)
<Setok> I went to see the doctor about continuous ringing in my ear
<Setok> he prescribed some anti-biotics
<ijchain> <Zarutian> schlenk: might be the same virus/bacteria?
<Setok> said there is some inflammation of the inner ear
<Setok> I hope it's just that
<ijchain> <schlenk> probably, but i'm quite happy I'm through with it
<Setok> I don't want to get life-long tinnitus or something
<Setok> esp. as I don't even listen to music loud
<ijchain> <Zarutian> health is one of the big stones in the jar of life
<ijchain> <kbk> Most labyrinthitis is viral, and doesn't respond to antibiotics; fortunately, it's usually self-limiting (a few weeks and things are back to normal).
<Setok> cameron: I don't live in Oulu or Rovaniemi but Helsinki would be fine
<ijchain> <Zarutian> kbk: labyrinthitis?
<Setok> I could easily get something together if there was interest
<Setok> I've organised so many things like that
<Setok> Rovaniemi would be nice in the winter, of course. Santa etc.
<ijchain> <Zarutian> kbk: something related to stomach sickness or ear infection?
<ijchain> <kbk> Labyrinthitis - or otitis interna -http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?query=labyrinthitis&action=Search+OMD
<ijchain> <de> Somewhere outside the USA would be more attractive for me. (Just a personal preference.) Even in Canda (Vancouver, again, for example).
<ijchain> <kbk> It usually affects balance as well as hearing.
<ijchain> <kbk> If you meant otitis media, that's a different thing altogether.
<ijchain> <de> And for that: even an EuroTcl outside of germany would be fun.
<Setok> I'd be happy to do it
<ijchain> <de> In Helsinki?
<Setok> yeah
<ijchain> <de> I'd attend if workload/time for the choosen date allows, for sure.
<ijchain> <de> Setok: Do I recall correctly - we meet at the second EuroTcl in Hamburg/Harburg, didn't we?
<ijchain> <Cameron> I've been arguing in favor of Puerto Rico for various groups. Helsinki *does* sound good, particularly from the perspective that The Current USA Administration still has several years of DHS policy it can implement. I'm astounded that somebody like Steve Landers puts up with whatever it is he has to go through to visit the US.
<Setok> de: yup :)
<Setok> that was a nice event
<ijchain> <miguel> DHS?
<ijchain> <kbk> Cameron: Even a lot of us Murcans are reluctant these days to leave, because of what's bound to happen when we try to get back in.
<ijchain> <kbk> miguel: Department of Homeland Security.
<ijchain> <Cameron> That's one way it's spelled.
<Setok> oh
<Setok> the only DHS I knew of was a democrew called 'Dead Hackers Society'
<Setok> although I guess it wasn't that :)
<ijchain> <kbk> Translated to Russian, that's Komitet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnozti
<ijchain> <miguel> missing a lam-alif again?
<ijchain> <Cameron> I want to see Cyrillic on my screen!
<ijchain> <miguel> you don't?
<ijchain> <Cameron> That's not a complaint about any of you. I've been working with device drivers, and am in a foul mood.
<ijchain> <miguel> yeah, that'll do it every time.
<ijchain> <Cameron> I ***ume Kevin wrote "Komitet ..."; I see Chinese.
<ijchain> <kbk> Chinese???
<Setok> kbk: heh
<azbridge> *** Cameron entered
<Setok> well, just that my fonts and everything are working
<ijchain> <miguel> strange - are you writing a video driver?
<ijchain> <miguel> :-P
<azbridge> <Cameron> Ha! In Safari, I can see Kevin spelled it correctly.
<ijchain> <kbk> Or, I suppose, Lavrenty Beria's NKVD...
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