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<ijchain> <rmax> we have to change the battery on the tie mic.
<ijchain> <aku> Ah, something comes in
<ijchain> <aku> maybe setup time
<gongoputch> aku: I don't see much at http://wcf3.com/ ...
<ijchain> <aku> gongoputch - I answered _to_ wcf3, i.e. his question.
<ijchain> <aku> Not that it was at his site
<gongoputch> aku: where is his personal web site?
<ijchain> <aku> I don't know ... I plan to goggle for it
<ijchain> <rmax> audio ok now?
<ijchain> <schelte> Google doesn't seem to know about it
<gongoputch> rmax: yes
<cleverly> He had a slide with the URL for his personal website... something at freeshell.org
<ijchain> <aku> rmax - yes
<ijchain> <aku> clveryl - Maybe he put this on the wiki
<ijchain> <wcf3> google not much help looking for the url...
<ijchain> <aku> cleverly - Maybe he (T Allard)can put this information on the wiki as well ?!
<ijchain> <dkf> good idea
<ijchain> <aku> dkf - Can you get Jeff onto the chat right now ?
<ijchain> <aku> systems here has a question about a sunbox sitting near his desk
<ijchain> <dkf> done
<ijchain> <tclguy> .
<ijchain> <aku> Hi Jeff
<ijchain> <tclguy> hello
<ijchain> <aku> hey jeff. it's craig. The sun blade box by your desk, is it okay to shut it down? Sun needs to replace the Power supply
<ijchain> <tclguy> OK - I didn't know it had an issue
<ijchain> <tclguy> I can't recall the root p***, but just pull the plug
<ijchain> <tclguy> nobody is using the Sun machine right next to my desk
<ijchain> <aku> proactive maintenance. They replacing p/s's to prevent "thermal events" ie smoking and frying...
<ijchain> <tclguy> heh heh
<ijchain> <aku> so it's okay to just power off then? thanks.
<ijchain> <tclguy> yes
<ijchain> <aku> great
<ijchain> <aku> Ok - aku - is back here
<ijchain> <kbk> Tcl - is *this* any way to run a railroad? :D
<cleverly> "They didn't use this though?" (Tom Allard)
<ijchain> <torsten> Tcl = Train control language
<cleverly> "About how long did it take you to implement this?" (cant read name badge)
<ijchain> <rmax> break!
<ijchain> <stever> what!?
<ijchain> <stever> :)
<ijchain> <LucMove> continue
<cleverly> Tom's url is http://wklink.freeshell.org
<ijchain> <torsten> |_P
<cleverly> for FanXE
<ijchain> <kbk> return -level 0 -code 6
<ijchain> <wcf3> tanks!
<gongoputch> cleverly: Thanks!
<ijchain> <schelte> Can anybody download fanxe-1.1.tar.gz? It just takes me to http://myspace.com/redmartian
<ijchain> <LucMove> me too
<gongoputch> me too
<ijchain> <aku> No stream
<ijchain> <aku> Mic giving the ghost ?
<ijchain> <dkf> aku: Nothing being said yet ;)
<ijchain> <aku> ok
<ijchain> <dkf> Can we have a streamed sound-check?
<ijchain> <LucMove> sound good
<gongoputch> yes, good.
<ijchain> <LucMove> hello
<ijchain> <LucMove> hi joe
<ijchain> <aku> I have sound now
<gongoputch> Hi loe
<ijchain> <torsten> hi
<ijchain> <rmax> rfoxmich just said, if you guys where her, you wouln't need a sound check ;)
<ijchain> <torsten> ha ha
<ijchain> <kbk> Hey, we haven't had it in the East for years...
<gongoputch> east coast rocks!
<ijchain> <torsten> is the talk about CanvasPlus cancelled or put to another time slot?
<ijchain> <dkf> canvasplus was yesterday
<ijchain> <kbk> someone get a picture of CoderX2. (I haven't a face to go with the name...)
<ijchain> <rmax> kbk: I will
<ijchain> <torsten> ah, shh... some links for this?
<ijchain> <kbk> thanx
<cleverly> http://www.tclbridge.com
<ijchain> <torsten> oh, I meant info for CanvasPlus
<cleverly> torsten: CanvasPlus was yesterday morning (Jorge Lima)
<ijchain> <kbk> [clock seconds] is one of my favorites too. ;)
<ijchain> <LucMove> what happened to minesweeper?
<ijchain> <aku> .
<ijchain> <willdye> Each form has its own interpreter? Hmm. We use separate interps for our edit screens, and sometimes regret it because it causes problems with grab, cross-interpreter communication, etc.
<ijchain> <willdye> OTOH, destroying the interp after the edit screen is dismissed quickly guarantees that all the side-effects are cleaned up, such as leftover variables and procs created just for that screen.
<ijchain> <dkf> I think "each form has its own interpreter" is a feature of the demo, not the system
<cleverly> "that form -- are the buttons tk controls?" (ron fox)
<ijchain> <rmax> http://tclers.tk/tcl2005/
<cleverly> "sorry if you mentioned this and I missed it, but what are the advantages of this vs tcom and what are its shortcomings vs tcom, compare & contrast" (gwlester)
<cleverly> "is this being used in any commercial projects?" (bryan oakley)
<ijchain> <LucMove> thanks, rmax!
<cleverly> "what do you see it needing before it is ready for primetime?" (gwlester)
<ijchain> <willdye> rmax Thanks
<cleverly> "do you see it as being ready for primetime as in the sametime as when 8.5 is final?" (bryan o.)
<ijchain> <aku> What talk will come after Will ?
<ijchain> <dkf> Oscar Bonilla
<ijchain> <Unununium> tclsqlite question: is [db eval {attach database $file as foo}] legal?
<ijchain> <dkf> (from BitMover IIRC)
<ijchain> <miguel> who's on now?
<ijchain> <dkf> Will Duquette
<ijchain> <aku> I can't find him on the schedule
<ijchain> <Unununium> Wish I was there :^)
<ijchain> <aku> him = Oscar
<ijchain> <aku> I have printed schedule as well, just a bit too old
<ijchain> <Unununium> When I try the aforementioned [db eval], I get 'near "$file": syntax error'
<ijchain> <torsten> Unununium: perhaps don't use {} there but ""
<ijchain> <aku> What will oscars talk be about ?
<ijchain> <dkf> Structures for Tcl
<ijchain> <torsten> db eval "attach database $file as foo"
<ijchain> <Unununium> torsten: I can do that (but I have to add quotes), but tclsqlite is supposed to internally bind the variable values
<ijchain> <willdye> Hmm. http://wiki.tcl.tk/13846 points to http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2005/abstracts.html for abstracts, but most of the links on the latter page are broken. Oh, well.
<ijchain> <dkf> Cameron: tcom doesn't handle .net and intended for accessing com things from Tcl
<ijchain> <aku> Or, how about usinmg the webcam and then putting a picture of the actual schedule up ? In rmax picture dir He mentioned
<ijchain> <Unununium> [db eval "select $file"] works as expected
<ijchain> <aku> Sound lost
<ijchain> <LucMove> I got sound
<ijchain> <dkf> OTOH, tclbridge can support .net (latest version) and supports embedding tcl in com-based apps
<ijchain> <aku> Ok, back for me, after restart ofp layer
<ijchain> <willdye> I had brief period of silence, but now it's back.
<ijchain> <dkf> so comparison should be with optcl I believe...?
<ijchain> <LucMove> optcl rulez
<ijchain> <rmax> I've been adjusting the volume, because there was some clipping and overdrive.
<ijchain> <LucMove> sounds like Will has the Mike too close to the mouth
<ijchain> <Unununium> This seems like a bug to me, but so long as no one puts a ' in the filename I'll be alright
<ijchain> <willdye> LucMove : I think that's Oscar Bonilla, not Will Duquette
<ijchain> <Unununium> Oops, I meant to say [db eval {select $file}] earlier: it returns the value of $file
<ijchain> <aku> willdye - No, defiintely WillD.
<ijchain> <aku> Oscar will come next
<ijchain> <gwlester> It is at the top of his stomach
<ijchain> <Unununium> [db eval "select $file"] does not work because of the lack of ' quotes
<ijchain> <willdye> aku : Ah, OK.
<ijchain> <Unununium> gwlester: maybe he's hungry?
<ijchain> <kbk> It sounds like wjd's voice.
<ijchain> <Unununium> I thought his initials were whd
<ijchain> <gwlester> he has a deep voice -- better pickup, also he is projecting nicely
<ijchain> <aku> Will is a good presenter
<ijchain> <torsten> Unununium: I have the feeling sqlite only substitutes variables at specific places, not everywhere. Perhaps one of the guys, who were on Hipp's tutorial session, knows?
<ijchain> <kbk> http://wiki.tcl.tk/wjd - Hmm, guess it's ambiguous.
<ijchain> <rmax> clipping better now?
<cleverly> Will's initials are whd; wj in his domain name is for Will & Jane (his wife)
<ijchain> <Unununium> It does everywhere, in eval. But it could be that the underlying SQL commands don't understand blob tokens for everything
<ijchain> <gwlester> I'll ask richard to jump on the chat when will finishes talking
<ijchain> <torsten> good idea
<ijchain> <kbk> still clipping
<ijchain> <Unununium> For instance I might try putting the word "select" in $var and I won't expect [db eval {$var 0}] to work.
<ijchain> <kbk> pragmas -- :o -- PRAGMATA!!!
<ijchain> <Unununium> /sing pragmata martyr
<ijchain> <de> Will there be an archive of the audio files of the talks, somewhere? I've missed some, I wanted to hear... :-/
<ijchain> <rmax> kbk: It seems I can't get rid of it completely, but I was hoping it got better compared to the start of Will's talk.
<ijchain> <torsten> db eval {select * from table where a=$foo($bar)} will not work, for example
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