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<bucky> !seen matthewa
<WifiFred> matthewa was last seen on irc.bcwireless.net in #bcwireless 57 minutes and 32 seconds ago saying: much better.
<bucky> !seen StevenWright
<WifiFred> i haven't seen stevenwright
<bucky> !seen StevenWrightNZ
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<bucky> !seen SteveWrightNZ
<WifiFred> stevewrightnz was last seen in #wireless 2 hours, 39 minutes and 20 seconds ago saying: bbl
<pgreening> hi guys, I've got a Q about nocat.... I just installed it on our testing box, and am a bit stumped. I start it with ./splashd, it doesn't do anything. there are no daemons running, no output generated, and nothing written to anything in /var/log. any ideas or suggestions?
<pingtimeout> run it as ./aplashd 2> err.log?
<pingtimeout> *splashd
<pgreening> err.log is empty
<pingtimeout> figured it was worth a shot
<pgreening> .. /sigh ya..
<pingtimeout> should've taken anything from STDERR and written it there
<pgreening> ya but bash default is stderr goes to the screen
<Stereo> !whereis 210.239.48.141
<WifiFred> 210.239.48.141 (210.239.48.141) could be in: Japan
<udtst> hello
<udtst> will netstumbler be able to detect the signal strength between to wireless routers or only cards?
<likewhoa5> udtst: it can even detect how close you are to "wired" routers
<likewhoa5> udtst: nice!
<udtst> cool
<udtst> I am about to try a 1.5mile link in about 1.5 hours and was hoping it would work for me. got a laptop to a linksys wrt54g router to a 15db parabolic dish :)
<dragorn> careful mentioning that in here, j4k3 is liekly to stroke out over it
<dragorn> basically the wrt54 is a neat little box but it's not going to do crap for long range links or anything like that
<dragorn> the radio in it really isn't all that good
<silentfury> it uses a broadcom radio
<silentfury> nuff said
<dragorn> it's a cool little box to hack on, but don't expect miracles from it
<dragorn> I mean, i have one, I like the box, but it's still sort of crap
<udtst> I have a 300mw amp that I can put in line with it if I have too.
<dersteer> amps are worthless
<udtst> what is a better box I could use then
<dragorn> you'd be far better served by getting a good radio
<dragorn> crap radio + amp = louder crap
<udtst> lol
<dragorn> look at metrix.net, they've got some small ap-type boxes w/ real radio options
<dersteer> udtst: what is your goal for a setup? 1.5 miles from wrt to laptop?
<udtst> yes
<dragorn> oh.
<dersteer> laptops are not well known for their range
<dragorn> hah. yeah.
<dragorn> you're going to need to get a good radio and a good directional on both ends
<dragorn> and have a clean line of sight
<dersteer> antenna's on both ends.. you might be able to pull it off
<dersteer> clear line of sight
<dersteer> but then its not portable
<dersteer> kinda defeats the purpose of a laptop
<dersteer> I've got a 6 mile link to a wrt54g... that is my furthest wrt link
<udtst> k I have an inverter for my jeep plus a generator. I could use my desk top :). I want to set up a perm point I'm not looking for mobile
<dersteer> but I'm using a 24db grid on the wrt
<udtst> I have a 15db wire parabolic which I am going to hook up to it.
<dersteer> you realize how the signal comes out right?? it'll only cover a small area
<dersteer> they are a really focused antenna
<udtst> 30 degrees is what this one is it says
<udtst> so for the test link I should use my desktop instead of the laptop?
<dersteer> what is your ultimate goal... what kind of area are you trying to cover? and for what purpose? I'll be able to suggest something then
<udtst> I want to set up a point to point link just to see if I can do it. once I know I can I am going to buy better(pro) gear and try and set up a wisp
<udtst> hehe big plans and project I know
<dersteer> a few of us in here do that for a living :) if you just wanna test point to point links get two 15 db antenna's and start testing
<dersteer> do you have something above treeline to put antennas on?
<udtst> yep just built a 40 ft metal pole mast :)
<dersteer> where are you at?
<udtst> heh arkansas, usa
<udtst> not the easest place in the world for los
<dersteer> hey if I can get it to work in michigan it can work anywhere :)
<udtst> anyway I am going to go and try this and test my project.
<udtst> thanks for the help. and I hope to talk to you again soon.
<J4k3> hmm
<keter> drugs are bad mkay
<J4k3> says who?!
<GotD0t> keter, apparently
<J4k3> keter must be ODing or something
<J4k3> haha
<myself248> says the guy who had to run the cable up this lsd-induced cell tower design!: http://howstuffworks.rtor.net/lightningbolt
<J4k3> what
<J4k3> the
<J4k3> ****
<J4k3> thats just like
<J4k3> wtf!!!
<myself248> lmao
<GotD0t> wtf?
<J4k3> wtf.
<GotD0t> why!?!
<dragorn> is that "art"?
<dragorn> or "broken"
<GotD0t> i hope it was meant to be art
<dragorn> perhaps "brutally retarded"
<dragorn> brutally, brutally retarded.
<myself248> the story as I understand it, is that Verizon wanted to put a tower on Domino's Farms' land. Monaghan said okay, but it has to look cool. They have a bunch of other art installations on the hundreds-of-acres facility.
<GotD0t> otherwise thats just ****ing idiotic
<J4k3> but its not even... cool
<myself248> So they came up with this design.. Apparently the shrouds at the top are meant to resemble a "cloud" from which the bolt descends.
<J4k3> so
<J4k3> you're meaning to tell me
<J4k3> my monthly bill paid for that piece of ****?
<myself248> The cables were laid into it while it sat on the ground, then they erected it and..
<J4k3> remind me to cancel my verizon service.
<myself248> Yep. It serves a pretty major freeway interchange, that's what's known as a "diamond" site, it brings in more than X revenue per day
<J4k3> Verizon = Good thing its CDMA, because you never get better than -100 dbm rx :P
<myself248> Heh.
<J4k3> yeah, but a lightpole in the intersection would work as well/better
<J4k3> and I'm pretty sure they exist.
<GotD0t> wouldn't you love to get to be the guy who goes up to the top of that?
<myself248> Nope, it's a big spread-out interchange, no lighting.
<myself248> And all the surrounding land is owned by the state.
<myself248> You can see in some of the pics, the fall-arrest line that zigzags right along the stairway.
<J4k3> **** that
<myself248> heh
<J4k3> I'd service that pile of crap from a helicopter.
<myself248> J4k3's like, I'm gonna rent a ladder truck..
<J4k3> word.
<J4k3> I'll climb rohn 25 to the moon
<J4k3> before I get on anything that absolutely ghetto.
<myself248> I've never seen anyone climb it. Theoretically they added the dualband antennas up there, but I wasn't around to see it.
<GotD0t> yea... i'd get a bucket truck if i was a tech ***igned to that site... but you can see ladder rungs
<myself248> 0104 shows the safety line really well.
<GotD0t> like they were expecting someone to climb that mother ****er
<J4k3> yeah... but wheres the line that keeps the piece of **** from falling down?
<J4k3> ;)
<myself248> It's held up by force of will.
<GotD0t> haha
<J4k3> its held up by my $100/month
<GotD0t> you spend 100/month on verizon?
<J4k3> yeah, two phones.
<myself248> I spend $100/mo on nextel!
<GotD0t> hmm
<myself248> one phone.
<myself248> Packetstream, baby. Pulled my *** out of a lot of jams.
<J4k3> personally I think I can replace Verizon with a couple more cheap-*** 2m rigs.
<GotD0t> J4k3: my folks probably pay 10 times what you do... of course they have like 6 blackberries at their office
<GotD0t> plus theirs
<GotD0t> and mine
<GotD0t> heh
<J4k3> GotD0t: *Shrug*... My service still ****s.
<J4k3> horribly.
<GotD0t> and it works for me... because they give us free phones
<J4k3> and getting worse it appears every time they put up another tower.
<myself248> J4k3, that's probably because the installers don't set the cable delay in the GPSTM and everything ends up slightly out of phase.
<J4k3> the end result is my phone service was decent, now it ****s a lot.
<J4k3> its worse than my TDMA experience.
<J4k3> I don't think I ever experienced a proper repeater handoff the entire time I had a TDMA phone
<myself248> We should all go back to AMPS. 7-watt car kits forever! Muahahah!
<J4k3> well
<J4k3> CDMA technically kicks AMPS's ***
<GotD0t> haha
<myself248> yeah, but the bozos who deploy it break it horribly.
<J4k3> I can hold a pretty decent CDMA call with signal levels well below AMPS usability
<myself248> Oogh. Speaking of those bozos, it's time to get ready for work.
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