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<J4k3> yeah, the AP will help a lot
<J4k3> but down a floor
<J4k3> I'd suggest a panel antenna and a second AP on another channel
<J4k3> put the panel on the floor
<J4k3> facing down
<J4k3> well, ***uming its a wooden floor
<J4k3> if its concrete, put it up from the floor at least 6"
<J4k3> else you'll overload the transmitter with the reinforcement steel.
<J4k3> I wouldn't overdo it with the panel's gain... 14dbi should be plenty
<J4k3> or build a biquad (google it) and use it (basically what most panel antennas actually are)
<dtm> i introduce the mighty J4k3 to the venerable hparker, both wisp proprietors
<hparker> lo everyone
<dtm> J4k3 is in TX; hparker is in KS near me
<DrDT> FIGHT
<SteveWrightNZ> yay, nuther wisp
<dtm> CELEBRITY DEATHMATCH
<dtm> J4k3: we were pondering your utterings of a rootenna/wrt/poe
<dtm> SteveWrightNZ: ahoy
<DrDT> DUEL FOR OWNERSHIP OF THE ISM BANDS
<dtm> :-o
<deadcat> can zd1211 driver kismet?
<DrDT> http://zd1211.ath.cx/zd1211 says monitor mode is not supported, so NO
<dtm> hparker: you say broadcom sux but it's good for < 3 miles, isn't it?
<hparker> I dislike the company
<dtm> hparker: oic
<DrDT> hparker: experience with the hardware? J4k3 says the timings are too inflexible to go for any lnog distances
<hparker> DrDT: Not really.. Haven't played with modding them like that
<DrDT> any much work outside of 2.4ghz?
<hparker> I've got a couple of 5.8 links, none over a mile though
<hparker> My long hauls are all 2.4
<dtm> DrDT: i have a couple of 5.8 trunks, one 10.5 miles
<dtm> one trango and one tranzeo
<dtm> still troubleshooting their initial deployment with no customers
<hparker> and I also know when someone comes to town with Motorola 2.4, it makes your life ****....
<DrDT> hahaha
<J4k3> yeah, thats when you get a junk car with a bunch of big batteries in the back
<dtm> :-.
<J4k3> and go park it near their tower running nothing but X10 cameras, 10W amps, and 24dbi's ;)
<J4k3> 'how do you feel about a -10 dbm noise figure?'
<dtm> ^_^
<hparker> In all of the US, Sprint decided to beta test offering wirelesss in a town of ~4k in th emiddle of KS.....
<J4k3> Sprint already tried before.
<J4k3> and failed miserably.
<hparker> Yeah, but not in 2.4
<J4k3> they were using 2.4 in Houston
<J4k3> iirc.
<dtm> J4k3: http://www.pacwireless.com/products/RT24-14.shtml is that what you were looking at?
<hparker> that was.. Hrrmm.. I forget the technology.. Out in Arizona or something.. MDS maybe?
<J4k3> dtm: thats what I use on customer sides...
<J4k3> mmds
<J4k3> 2.5-2.7
<hparker> Really? the local gues told me this was their beta last Nov when they lit up
<dtm> J4k3: er sorry, wasn't it the 19db?
<dtm> J4k3: for $78
<J4k3> hparker: I'm refering to 'sprint ion'
<J4k3> which, iirc, was breezecom gear
<hparker> Ahh
<dtm> yay breezecom! was it frequency hopping?
<J4k3> who knows... all I know is the performance was awful at my friend's place
<hparker> All I know is their tower a mile south completely fried a 4 block east-west link
<J4k3> wow, I'd return fire on that.
<dtm> J4k3: what does it matter that the rootenna situation isn't FCC certified?
<dtm> J4k3: does that have any practical bearing
<J4k3> dtm: since I own the hardware, not really.
<dtm> k
<J4k3> I'm not 'reselling' the radios.
<dtm> so that'd be a problem huh
<hparker> J4k3: Yeah, it's been a mess since
<J4k3> I dunno, the FCC is welcome to come by and *****... they're just not eligable to ***** at my customers.
<dtm> hparker: did you try sectorizing against that particular direction that Sprint is polluting
<J4k3> sprint also has to play by the rules for power
<hparker> No, i run the pop at the high end of the spectrum.. They've got the low end facing north, which is where my backhaul was
<hparker> J4k3: It's the way Motorola does things, you can't even get 2 Motorolas close to each other without adding the gps sync module
<dtm> ****az
<J4k3> theres always 5ghz.
<dtm> J4k3: so you deployed a client amp finally huh
<J4k3> no?
<J4k3> if I need an amp'd client I fire up an SR2.
<hparker> J4k3: I moved the backhaul to 5ghz, I have an omni 2 other backhauls, and an AP for the grain office and C-store on that elevator, no where to really move that backhaul to
<J4k3> then the only limit is the FCC's EIRP requirements for a <120 degree antenna.
<hparker> SR2?
<dtm> J4k3: you said recently that amps aren't bull**** coz your link started working with one :)
<J4k3> well, yes and no
<J4k3> I'm didn't end up leaving it up because it was sketchy performance-wise
<J4k3> and I doubted the customer was going to pay for a $420 rflinx amp :P
<dtm> k
<dtm> that's a lot.
<J4k3> yeah
<dtm> J4k3: so you abandoned that site?
<J4k3> nah, coming up with plan B.
<dtm> kool
<dtm> J4k3: what size radio was it
<hparker> I've pulled all but one set uf amps for my infrastructure, and I have one subscriber using one.. He's 12 miles out
<J4k3> CM9 feeding the amp. Anything more would hurt something.
<J4k3> yeah... amps aren't a good thing
<hparker> I pulled the one on my omni here in town, and seat of the pants, things were faster.. And that was with a smartbridges AP (replaced an Orinoco ROR that had a bad bought with lightening)
<J4k3> yeah.. Amps on the AP side has done nothing but kill my RX performance
<J4k3> theres less noise to RX at a customer's place sitting on the roofline, below the trees... but up on a tower you're catching crap from every direction
<hparker> I've got a Tranzeo 4500 up there now, works pretty good
<J4k3> unless you're in antarctica or something
<dtm> which some of us are
<hparker> heh.. Noise level came up over 10 db the first 3 years
<dtm> tyvm
<J4k3> haha
<J4k3> he still complains about noise @ 2.4 ;)
<SteveWrightNZ> bah, Saitek ST-90 joystick ****s *** for flying
<dtm> J4k3: solar flares!! ozone thinning!
<hparker> I have a competitor using Motorola 5ghz gear that gives away 2.4ghz routers....
<SteveWrightNZ> bbl, orf to town
<J4k3> wow, you really need to invest in a .22 or something ;)
<hparker> lol
<J4k3> how motorola got that **** by the FCC
<hparker> It's sick.. town of 4k with 4 providers
<J4k3> really leaves me wondering...
<J4k3> ugh... I'd take my gear and go somewhere else.
<J4k3> even at 100% penetration 25% you're still talking no cash.
<hparker> Oh the ISP is a labor of love.. A $1400 a month t1 sux....
<hparker> One of my southern pops: ftp://ftp.homershut.net/pub/pics/radio/PANA0042.JPG
<J4k3> screw that, buy bandwidth from the other 3 providers
<J4k3> ;)
<hparker> hehehe.. contract isn't up till Jan
<J4k3> SBC business ADSL rocks your sox if >90% of your traffic is down.
<hparker> Sprint is my local telco
<J4k3> eww, nevermind.
<hparker> I get my t1 from SBC
<dtm> J4k3: can't escape sprint in Russell, KS, dogg
<J4k3> Sprint can bite me. They're the only telco that ****s worse than Valor.
<dtm> J4k3: never heard of Valor
<hparker> It terminates 25 miles away.. My PtP there is $400 a month.. Sprint has 21% of the milage, and 80% of the bill
<J4k3> because they're mexicans that bought up a few old GTE exchanges in texas.
<dtm> hparker: i didn't know speakeasy sells T1s
<dtm> J4k3: lolz
<dtm> wondrous
<J4k3> hparker: sounds familiar with valor.
<hparker> None of my pops are close enough to anything non-Sprint to get it in that way
<J4k3> dude... I'm suprised valor telecom doesn't have dingle-ball fringe around the windshield of their work trucks.
<hparker> lol
<J4k3> one has the chrome ladies on the mudflaps
<J4k3> I gotta get pics.
<hparker> lol
<dtm> keke
<hparker> dtm: I will put them on my chopper.. If i ever get it on the road...
<J4k3> alright, I gotta run this PeeCee back by a customer's house.
<dtm> J4k3: ok take care
<ows> what do I need to put my intel wireless netcard workin'? I've RH 9, kernel 2.4, probably driver isn't installed... some hints to solve this problem?
<TMS> I would suggest updating your system first
<J4k3> heh, damn
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