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<SteveWrightNZ> an OSS radiomobile ?
<variable> ya
<SteveWrightNZ> woah, thats beyond me
<SteveWrightNZ> good idea tho
<SteveWrightNZ> just use their free(sic) version
<variable> ya, well if anyone knows anyone interested let me know
<J4k3-> yeah, I'm useless at programming
<J4k3-> but yeah... the radiomobile guy... good community-helping ham radio op there :P
<J4k3-> hell, ask him how much for your organization to buy a source license.
<J4k3-> ;)
<J4k3-> even Microsloth will fork over source for a reasonable price
<variable> aye, i appreciate the free work he did, it would just be cool if it was oss too
<SteveWrightNZ> "A browser based on the open source browser Firefox, called Flock, has just been released and claims to give a taste of what life would be like under Web 2."
<variable> cool
<cpm> Oh, what now. Web2, dear lord.
<SteveWrightNZ> heh
<variable> lol. why is it disco month at techdata?
<cpm> is this like yet still another internet-II thing?
<cpm> YSA(tm)
<J4k3-> haha, I haven't bought anything from techdata since 2001
<variable> ya, i never have, but i still get their emails
<variable> and it is apparently disco month at techdata
<J4k3-> hahaha
<variable> just thought that was funnny
<curious> hehe, someone once said raves/discos are just post-pacman traumas
<J4k3-> well
<J4k3-> lemmie find that quote
<curious> (dancing to mechanical music, while running in dim rooms after pills, and sometimes escaping from ghosts)
<J4k3-> it was somebody high up at nintendo in the late 80s iirc.
<curious> guy from atari afaik
<variable> lol
<J4k3-> "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music."
<J4k3-> - Kristin Wilson, Nintendo, Inc., 1989.
<silentfury> lol
<curious> yeah :)
<silentfury> funny how that's actually true nowadays
<silentfury> but for entirely different reasons
<SteveWrightNZ> oh, you arent ? 8-o
<J4k3-> bah, raves are dead
<J4k3-> (sadly)
<silentfury> not here..
<cpm> Are they now? Seems there is still a rave community out there, some where.
<silentfury> still a huge rave community here
<J4k3-> wow, where are you? west coast? toronto?
<hellagony> good day
<silentfury> toronto.
<cpm> aah. land of the free
<J4k3-> hellagony: howdy... wheres .pe? :)
<silentfury> pe. let me know. papa new guinea?
<silentfury> think even
<hellagony> Peru
<J4k3-> ahh
<cpm> cool.
<hellagony> :)
<hellagony> papa new guinea?
<hellagony> heh
<variable> i want to go on a road trip from alaska to argentina and back, i figured thatd take me through peru?
<silentfury> was a guess.
<silentfury> no
<silentfury> argentina is on the otherside of the continent
<J4k3-> "Television won't last because people will soon get tired of staring at a plywood box every night."
<J4k3-> --Producer Darryl Zanuck, 20th Century Fox, 1946
<variable> lol if only it didnt last
<silentfury> yes but we love sitting as shiny metal boxes
<variable> tv is retarted
<J4k3-> sheeit, we went to plastic.
<dtm> wowweeee
<dtm> what a quote
<hellagony> uhmm TDD
<hellagony> i'm confused
<variable> EO_ you about?
<hellagony> TDD work over spread spectrum?
<hellagony> uhmm unpaired spectrum
<variable> voip really hates nat
<silentfury> no, i really hate nat.
<keter> i hate fly's
<keter> disgusting little creatures
<silentfury> spiders are worse.
<dtm> silentfury: yes
<dtm> variable: voip has nothing at all to do with nat
<keter> nah spiders eat fly's i like spiders
<dtm> a proper voip architecture makes nat irrelevant
<variable> ya, it does, try connecting to a voip server through nat
<dtm> variable: i do it all the time with vonage
<dtm> and if each endpoint was behind nat, i'd do port forwarding
<variable> that only works if you only have one voip client
<variable> what about 2
<variable> or more
<alalala> hello
<variable> ahoy
<hellagony> hai
<dtm> variable: then you have a public reflector, as vonage does, and any number of free public projects have
<dtm> variable: to get around nat and dynamic ip addresses etc
<dtm> you can register your client with it.. what's it called... i forgot
<hellagony> someone knows something about TDD?
<variable> can asterisk act as a "reflector"?
<dtm> variable: i believe so
<variable> not that it matters, i was just trying to run my * behind a 1:1 nat, until i got another ip range so i could run it on that
<hellagony> with nat p*** the signal and voice in one direction
<dragorn> sip doesn't deal with nat too gracefully. IAX2 should handle it much better.
<dragorn> so you can turn your sip into iax2 and tunnel out, might be the least painful
<dragorn> theres also SIP proxies you could run on the real IP
<variable> what voip phones can connect to iax2?
<dragorn> lots of software ones. Probably some hardware.
<hellagony> i see Nat Traversal
<dragorn> However I was more suggesting that you would run asterisk local
<dragorn> sip->local*->iax2->world
<hellagony> variable: check www.voip-info.org
<cpm> SIP and NAT do not play well together. SIP was adopted way too early.
<hellagony> so h323 with nat?
<dragorn> if you can do a low-latency VPN you can do sip over that, but if you use a tcp vpn that introduces tcp sync issues w/ the link layer, sip gets really sad really quick
<dragorn> openvpn in udp mode is often p***able
<cpm> H323 is a little better at NAT, but still ****s. The only protocol I'm aware of that is NAT literate, is IAX, and IAX2
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