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<J4k3> and it shows, though.
<Eggplant> is there a max distance they have (timing?)
<hjohnson> I just wish our 5.8 Ghz deployment was more effective
<J4k3> 50 km
<variable_> we should kick clearwire out of their 2.5 freqs
<Eggplant> ya but i got a guy up in the woods that needs net, and this might be the only way
<Eggplant> fooies!!
<hjohnson> Eggplant: we've had success with 2.4 and trees, with high-gain antennas and good cars
<J4k3> Eggplant: don't expect miracles, but it can work.
<Eggplant> i got a 110km link i need just a little data over
<J4k3> hmm
<hjohnson> Eggplant: though we just laid 1km of fiber over the forrest floor
<J4k3> I don't think the RX performance on the 630-900 is very good
<hjohnson> it's pretty funny.. walking along, and there's this black wire lying on the ground...
<J4k3> I'd say at best -80 dbm RX
<hjohnson> 4 strand, armoured battlefield fiber
<Eggplant> ya RM says we got LOS to the office with 2x fres, but got trees on a knob in the way, going to toss some 24dbs on it nad see what happens
<hjohnson> running a 100mbps backbone
<variable_> hjohnson, a dear is come along and eat it
<J4k3> rats!
<J4k3> forest rats!
<Eggplant> hjohnson, where is that at?
<Eggplant> or gophers, we had a fiber outage here from that
<variable_> lol
<hjohnson> Eggplant: gambier island, just out side of Vancouver BC
<J4k3> I have cat5 running over-ground to my tower (the conduit is in w/ rope, I need to pull the damned wire through)... my dog has almost tore the wire up thanks to chasing gophers in the yard.
<Eggplant> google it up, qwest, eastern oregon, gopher
<hjohnson> the Fiber has been running fine for 2 months now
<variable_> they should coat the fiber in rat poison
<J4k3> they do
<J4k3> icky-pick ;)
<hjohnson> we lost a outdoor ethernet run due to EMP a few weeks ago
<Eggplant> ouchy
<hjohnson> yeah.. took out both the hub and the WRAP it was plugged into.
<hjohnson> thankfully, we had a WRAP in a pure wireless repeater that we could exchange with
<J4k3> tell whoever it was to cut it out with the nuke testing.
<hjohnson> since it didn't need the ethernet port
<variable_> EMP? lightning or nuclear weapons?
<hjohnson> Lightning struck a tree elsewhere on the property
<variable_> oh, i thought maybe canadians had nukes :)
<hjohnson> we got rid of ours in the mid 80s
<variable_> oh, canada doesnt play the game of MAD anymore
<variable_> (mutually ***ured destruciton)
<hjohnson> we had them on little-john missiles (for BMD) and also on the jets in Europe, before the end of the cold war
<hjohnson> though the weapons were purchased from the US
<silentfury> we do provide the technology for MAD though
<hjohnson> actually, Canada may wind up a major market for Plutonium.. turns out that the CANDU nuclear reactors can be tuned to efficiently burn Plutonium
<variable_> sweet
<silentfury> cool, so we can get invaded by the usa for having nooklear weapons?
<variable_> and then you can store it in the deep arctic where nobody lives eh?
<hjohnson> silentfury: no, there's talk of the US government shipping plutonium here to be destroyed
<silentfury> personally i think we should tighten the screws around their nuts every which way we can
<hjohnson> hey, the more plutonium that can be destroyed, the better
<hjohnson> of course, it works the other way too.. the CANDU reactor can also be adjusted to breed plutonium
<silentfury> i'd prefer naquada generators. or a zpm.
<J4k3> damn dude
<J4k3> mikrotik has polling... and will have narrow carriers
<J4k3> that almost makes the 511 worth buying for CPE
<silentfury> why is it when i see the word CANDU
<silentfury> I think of the Kan-doo childrens soap tvads
<silentfury> lol
<variable_> j4k3, yep go for it
<J4k3> damn.. I might pee my pants thinking about it.
<J4k3> er compliment
<variable_> whats the 511? a cheap 532?
<silentfury> jake pee his pants? it must be good stuff
<J4k3> yeah
<J4k3> single card 532
<J4k3> and 24v POE iirc.
<silentfury> i dealt with the crappiest wifi router evar today
<variable_> oh ya
<silentfury> microsoft mn-500
<J4k3> hahaha
<silentfury> couldn't even get full signal with LOS
<J4k3> hahahaha
<J4k3> damn, mikrotik has tpc too, I believe...
<J4k3> thats a pretty tall feature set.
<silentfury> it was pretty sad actually
<silentfury> and we're talking only like 4 feet away
<variable_> ive been sticking with 48v stuff, makes the psus standard
<silentfury> with direct LOS
<J4k3> hahaha
<silentfury> it almost made me want to cry
<variable_> i had an rb532 live through being doused in water, so i trust those boards
<J4k3> variable: nice to hear
<hjohnson> I just wish that there was an open, standardized poling system
<J4k3> mine arrives friday
<variable_> j4k3: nice
<hjohnson> don't want to get locked into a single vendor
<silentfury> it's this small pre-school. the main lady is hooked up wirelessly through 802.11b
<variable_> silentfury: ya i had the same deal with a gigafast usb client and belkin router
<J4k3> me either hjohnson... I'm just tired of trying to get everything 'right' and missing the boat completely.
<silentfury> the belkin router couldn't have been as bad as this microsoft one.
<variable_> i think it was the gigafast usb things
<variable_> boy was i going crazy
<silentfury> and i was using an atheros dual band netgear card.
<variable_> i was like, but i can see it
<variable_> why wont this crap work
<silentfury> it's usb
<silentfury> it's not supposed to work
<variable_> ya, but the people i was installing for didnt want me opening up their cases
<J4k3> if my madwifi CPE's don't work after the AP swap-out (I truely think StarOS's atheros code is flawed, but I have no actual proof of this) I'll have to pretty much deal with the fact I'm going to spend at least $230/ea for CPE
<variable_> so thats waht they get
<J4k3> vs the $140-150 I was spending otherwise.
<silentfury> idiots.
<J4k3> but its not enough money to save to worry about. I gotta start making monthlies.
<silentfury> at least netgear's usb 2.0 802.11g adapter is nice
<J4k3> and I'll just start charging people $250 setup. I haven't officially announced pricing.
<silentfury> that thing had hell of a signal
<variable_> j4k3: you using mikrotik for clients and aps?
<silentfury> so i gave the client 2 solutions
<J4k3> variable: at this moment I use staros as the AP and broadcom mips boxes with CM9's running OpenWRT + Madwifi (old)
<silentfury> 1) Run cat5 along the wall and hook her up via wired - that way we wouldn't have to replace the router and she'd be ***ured of connectivity as long as the router was functional
<silentfury> or 2) one of the new cut-down Airgo mimo routers
<J4k3> I bought the 532+MT L5 license... I'm hoping madwifi-ng gets on openwrt by the end of next week
<variable_> silentfury: ya, crazy people
<variable_> j4k3
<variable_> : how you going to save config?
<J4k3> my not-very-wifi-savvy-friends seem to love their rt2500-based usb's...
<J4k3> variable: save what config?
<hjohnson> realistically the ideal solution for our particular situation is WiMax, but we don't have the cash for that gear
<silentfury> i had a client with an internal ralink mini-pci - it was a piece of @#$@#
<variable_> like once you get madwifi and openwrt on there? are you going to set it up for every single cpe?
<J4k3> wimax, wismax... gimmie some polling ofdm and we're straight.
<J4k3> variable: thats what I had been doing. I built the image on the first one and cloned it off to the rest using the backup/restore technique
<variable_> ok cool
<variable_> what broadcom boards u using?
<hjohnson> J4k3: well, that's basically what wimax is.
<J4k3> I built my own POE PSUs (basic switching device) to go from 9-24V -> very solid 5v
<J4k3> hjohnson: yep
<silentfury> broadcom
<J4k3> variable: Asus WL500b / WL500g non-dlx
<silentfury> shudder
<J4k3> no
<J4k3> bcm's cpu is ine
<J4k3> fine
<J4k3> their radio on the other hand
<silentfury> broadcom don't play nice with linux drivers either
<J4k3> ****s like a black hole
<J4k3> thats why I purchased units that had the useless bcm radio on minipci cards... remove that, drop in a CM9...
<variable_> what are you trying to do special that you need linux for?
<variable_> err bsd
<J4k3> openwrt is linux
<variable_> ya, then why linux?
<J4k3> its cheap, its powerful, its somewhat futureproof.
<J4k3> but at the same time I have no fear of the rb500-series
<J4k3> it'll have tons of linux support from every direction soon
<variable_> and bsd
<J4k3> openwrt, at least, will support it. and I'm comfortable working with that.
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