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<silentfury> it's $2 a play
<silentfury> so 10 chances
<variable_> j4k3: you gotta let me know if that mt polling works as good as it should
<variable_> ill be getting some 511s too
<J4k3> word
<variable_> wow cm9s really dont have good tx power
<J4k3> nah, they don't...
<J4k3> but a lot of TX power isn't always required
<variable_> u getting your 511s friday too?
<J4k3> and you drop $100 on a SR2/5 if you need them
<J4k3> nah, I haven't ordered the 511's yet
<J4k3> I didn't expect to hear about the narrow carrier support... that was the thing that just 'sold' me.
<variable_> oh cool
<J4k3> I had been hearing about it on starvx for a while, but... eh...
<variable_> u gonna have enough 532s on friday to test out the polling?
<J4k3> neg, just the one.
<J4k3> I was hoping it'd fix my current hardware situation
<variable_> oh ya
<J4k3> so I wouldn't have to play with the current CPE
<J4k3> but I don't have enough investment right now to make it worthwhile going with 'crappy' hardware.
<J4k3> it'll be much more expensive to upgrade later
<variable_> all 20 of your subs using openwrt right now>?
<J4k3> if I deploy a lot more people with gear
<J4k3> haha, all my 2.4 subs are actually dead right now. my 2.4 box is sitting in the office with me until the 532 shows up
<J4k3> its killed two CF cards in 24 hours...
<J4k3> but I haven't charged anybody on the 2.4 yet so they can't complain
<variable_> oh cool
<J4k3> the aeronet ghettoness customers are up and running just fine. That thing is practically bulletproof.
<J4k3> the 900 mhz stuff.
<variable_> sweet
<J4k3> but its had 10 years to get mature... and runs accordingly
<variable_> well at least with the rb532 you wont have to use cf cards
<J4k3> it is to 802.11g as the 386SX/16 is to an Athlon64 x2 4600+ :)
<J4k3> yeah... their flash is built in.
<variable_> what bandwidth pipe you have?
<J4k3> right now just a T1
<J4k3> bandwidth is pretty easy to get installed out here... I've still got four T1s lit from our dialup days.
<variable_> sweet, t1 is nice
<variable_> i love my t1
<J4k3> the NIU's are still just a glowin
<variable_> u have 4 running now then?
<J4k3> no no, just wired up and ready to go
<variable_> ah
<J4k3> so the local telco doesn't have to do anything except ***ign it in the switch
<variable_> i dont have enough pairs here for 4 t1
<J4k3> the physical is already installed and ready to go
<variable_> ill need a new office at that point
<J4k3> I have 5 T1s physically coming in... originally it was 1xT1 for bandwidth, 3xCT1 for dialup, 1xSpare... since then I moved the dialup into a clec's switch colo... way cheaper and I get LATA-wide local #'s
<J4k3> hehe... I'm 30kft from the CO
<variable_> cool
<variable_> whats LATA-wide?
<J4k3> but luckily the telco had tons of pairs coming out here for our POTS dialups... they conditioned those, added them into their pre-existing repeater housings (there were already 4 T1's coming down the road feeding various SLCs)... it took them forever, but once it was done it all worked nicely.
<J4k3> until the single fiber route gets cut. grr.
<silentfury> damn beavers and their fiber chewing
<J4k3> ah... LATAs are hard to explain
<J4k3> http://www.robotics.net/clec/LATA_Map.html
<J4k3> silentfury: every dumb*** in this county seems to own a tractor and a post hole digger.
<silentfury> is that where you get your 12-gauge target practice? :)
<cyanoacry> LATA?
<variable_> is ct1 voice t1?
<J4k3> variable: personally I have local dialup numbers in 27 different places in LATA 560 (Houston LATA)... I end up (thanks to extended local calling) getting most of 562 and 570, and a bit of 552
<hjohnson> for the longest time, it would have actually been cheaper for telcos to deploy T1s than DSL
<silentfury> telcos suffer from mismanagement like most companies
<J4k3> variable: yeah... 24 uncompressed voice channels over a T1. ISDN PRI is better, but wasn't available out of our DMS-10 switch.
<J4k3> DMS-10 = antique
<J4k3> telcos are typical stupid american corporations
<J4k3> ran by the marketing department rather than the technical department.
<variable_> where can i geta ct1 today?
<J4k3> your friendly local telco
<J4k3> you want an ISDN PRI, CT1s ****.
<J4k3> CT1 = 24 56k channels
<J4k3> PRI = 23 64k channels (1 dedicated channel used for signaling)
<J4k3> v.90/92 works much better over PRI
<variable_> pri ? how much will that run me?
<J4k3> depends
<J4k3> its a huuuuuuge variable.
<J4k3> like... just in this LATA
<variable_> approximently?
<J4k3> SBC charges like $450/mo+tax per PRI, and like $1000/mo+tax for CT1.
<J4k3> up here this local telco charges like $650/mo for CT1 and 550/mo for PRI...
<variable_> why ct1 more?
<J4k3> it just depends on their tarrifs
<variable_> so $450(sbc) for 23 channels?
<J4k3> yep
<J4k3> I highly suggest researching CLECs before buying **** from your local ILEC.
<variable_> how many numbers that come with?
<silentfury> sadly there's nothing that can be done about intentional ILEC interference with CLEC's..
<variable_> i mean phone numbers?
<J4k3> personally I'm getting a full telco colo rack, 120VAC @ 20A power w/ 3 backup gens and 8 hours of battery, bad*** air conditioning, a very large local coverage area, and the fact I'm only 20 ft away from the switch itself for much less money than dealing with the local telco and only getting the local calling scope.
<J4k3> silentfury: yeah I wouldn't suggest ordering local services via clec... I'd only colo with them IMHO.
<J4k3> variable: typically ILEC PRIs are 1 number.
<J4k3> variable: you can get blocks ported over them...
<J4k3> variable: but... ILECs never seem to want to break the local calling rules. CLECs have no problem ***igning numbers 100+ miles away (as long as they're in the same LATA)
<variable_> ah (and i now understand LATA)
<J4k3> ilecs are cought up in the 'metered bull****'. They can't figure out the basic fact of per-minute billing and per-mile billing are DEAD.
<variable_> so are more numbers extra?
<J4k3> yeah
<J4k3> and that price varies, too.
<variable_> alot of money? or like $.1 per number?
<J4k3> I pay 10c/number/month, iirc.
<variable_> wow, i estimated well
<J4k3> I have 5 numbers in like 28 exchanges and its not enough money per month to worry about.
<J4k3> I only ever use one number in each exchange... my access server isn't very cool
<J4k3> if I had a voice capable access server I'd have tons of fun with it ;)
<variable_> what you use for dial up server?
<silentfury> a lot of companies are still in the "metered bull****"
<silentfury> especially the big backbone companies.
<J4k3> a fleet of ancient livingston(ed)/lucent portmaster 3's
<J4k3> silentfury: not nearly as much as the ILECs... I can haul a DS1's worth of traffic between LATAs for pennies per mile. ILEC wants like $16/mile to haul the same traffic intralata.
<J4k3> clec's still charge >$10/mile
<variable_> whered you get those techdata?
<silentfury> techdata is really a rip off
<J4k3> yes they are
<variable_> but is that where you got them?
<J4k3> got what, the portmasters?
<variable_> ya
<J4k3> nah, I bought mine through portmasters.com
<J4k3> jake messenger, good guy, local to me.
<J4k3> his office is about 4 miles from my colo
<J4k3> which has come in handy
<variable_> nice, good to go talk if needed
<J4k3> yep
<J4k3> we had a "omg I need a power supply" event
<J4k3> the longest time was me driving down there
<variable_> is the t1 plugged straight into the system? or split into its channels?
<J4k3> its 185 miles... no matter how awesome the traffic, its *at least* 2 hours in a hurry.
<J4k3> it plugs straight in
<variable_> j4k3: ya, had that with poe stuff before
<J4k3> internal DSU, CSU, and the modem cards have the DSPs
<J4k3> the PM3 is neato
<J4k3> at no point inside the machine is the modem conversation every analog
<J4k3> it simply shuffles the 1's and 0's off the PRIs or CT1s to the correct DSP, and the DSP treats it like a digitized data stream. So the only AD conversion occuring is at the local CO.
<J4k3> unless you're one of those unlucky folks that gets sold a phone line through a line-side connected SLC
<variable_> nice, not bad price either: http://portmasters.com/pricing-pm3.html
<J4k3> you can find them dirt cheap on ebay
<J4k3> but you are buying a 5 year old device, ymmv.
<hjohnson> and the telco wants $bignum for the lines
<J4k3> the Ascend 6096 is worth looking at too
<variable_> well i am not going to do dial up
<variable_> just curious
<hjohnson> it was the major lust item back when I was a BBS Sysop
<J4k3> the 6096 is neato... its actually voice capable.
<J4k3> but the voice capable cards are $$$$$
<hjohnson> yeah, people are probalby using them for their Asterisk boxes. :)
<J4k3> hjohnson: haha... I had a public BBS running off the backend of my pm2 (and eventually the pm3s). if you did a text login as 'bbs' you did an rlogin to my wildcat5 board.
<hjohnson> hehe
<variable_> what u mean "voice capable"?
<hjohnson> ahh, fond memories
<J4k3> the only problem was I discovered slutty girls and my time went to zilch. I gave the board away to a guy but he didn't keep it up.
<hjohnson> those were the golden years
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